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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Whoa, sorry to write a post directed to your behavior in more than one thread at a time.

It was a joke, really.. directed at Shaolin.. how did you take offense to it?

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Why has nobody addressed my concerns about the seemingly frail state of our Laws of Physics?

Instead I'm labeled arrogant ?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On You speak of theories and laws as though they are real.

You fail at sarcasm.

Or intelligence maybe.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} Furthermore, the Conservation of Energy applies to falling bodies as well. When an object falls, it converts the potential gravitational energy (derived from its height above ground) into kinetic (speed) energy. If the object has to use some of its energy on something else, like air resistance, there will be less energy available as kinetic energy; lengthening the time it spends falling. Let's use the example of a brick falling from the top of the tower, even just the energy required to move air out of the way is enough to slow the free fall time from 9.2 seconds to 12 seconds. The fact that the buildings were observed to fall at essentially free fall speed, means that all of the gravitational potential energy of the building was in fact converted to the kinetic energy of falling. The fall speed accounts for all of the gravitational potential energy available. There is no gravitational energy available to break steel, crush concrete, eject dust or do anything else but just fall.

You've got it all figured out, huh?

What is energy again?

Anyone?

(hint: it's a philosophy)

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby You've got it all figured out, huh? What is energy again? Anyone? (hint: it's a philosophy)

I believe it's the fundamental infinite source that both you, me and the coffee table are made out of.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} I believe it's the fundamental infinite source that both you, me and the coffee table are made out of.

You pass this test.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} Could you please elaborate for me whether or not you are invoking the Pancake Theory as a possibility?

I'll give you a simple example in the form of an experiment you can do at home.

Fill you left hand with about a table spoon full of pepper, the more finely ground the better.

Lift your left hand up so it is parallel with your eyes and you have a good clear, horrizontal view of the pepper.

Now with your right hand above your left, about a foot or two should work, bring it down as quickly as possible on top of your left hand.

Stop about half an inch before hitting your left hand.

Observe what happens to the pepper. Make sure that you are quite close to the small pile and that you keep your eyes wide open because, based on you theory, there will probably be little if no horizontal movement.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Hehe, they are not "derived" from calculus... mathematics, discrete mathematics, is nothing more than a tool employed to assert the soundness and validity of a theorem. Theories come from ideas and observations. Theories can be build upon discovery of mathematical relationships but they are not "derived" form 'calculus'. I'll be quite impressed if one can formulate and validate hypothesis purely using derivatives, limits and power series... hell, anyone capable of doing that should get a fucking Nobel prize lol.

It happens all the time.

Many people I know of would derive what they needed on exams from first principles (such as limits) if they didn't happen to remember the right formula. That's what's really useful about calculus, if you don't know the relationship between two things you can model it.

Calculus is the alternative to memorizing massive amounts of formula.

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Originally posted by culorut The ASCE was limited by their research. They did not have access to all the information to base a final conclusion.

... and the rest.

Thanks for putting this up. I'm glade to see that there are truthers who use credible sources.

I'll take a look at it when I get the time.

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Originally posted by atbell I'll give you a simple example in the form of an experiment you can do at home. Fill you left hand with about a table spoon full of pepper, the more finely ground the better. Lift your left hand up so it is parallel with your eyes and you have a good clear, horrizontal view of the pepper. Now with your right hand above your left, about a foot or two should work, bring it down as quickly as possible on top of your left hand. Stop about half an inch before hitting your left hand. Observe what happens to the pepper. Make sure that you are quite close to the small pile and that you keep your eyes wide open because, based on you theory, there will probably be little if no horizontal movement.

That doesn't explain anything. What force does the movement of my right hand represent, first of all? If an object has to exert energy on something else, like pushing air from out of its path, there won't be enough energy available as kinetic energy; lengthening the time it spends falling. So how did the kinetic energy double, then quadruple, etc as it smashed through each floor in 13 seconds? Remember, it takes a brick 12 seconds to fall 1350 ft with just air resistance. How could the building fall at essentially free fall speed with more factors (presumably, from your theory) than just air resistance?

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Originally posted by atbell ... and the rest. Thanks for putting this up. I'm glade to see that there are truthers who use credible sources. I'll take a look at it when I get the time.

What is your problem? Where have you come across sources that I've produced that are unreliable in your quest for the truth? You haven't addressed anything I've stated. Just made up some half-assed experiment that did nothing but force me to reiterate my point.

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[i][b]Originally posted by {b.s.e.}

You are a trooper b.s.e, hats off to you.

These fella's have been at it for at least a couple of years in the original 9/11 thread and still ignore the most straight forward facts, evidence, logic and testimonies from people who where actually at ground zero.

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Originally posted by culorut You are a trooper b.s.e, hats off to you. These fella's have been at it for at least a couple of years in the original 9/11 thread and still ignore the most straight forward facts, evidence, logic and testimonies from people who where actually at ground zero.

The only response I garnered was someone trying to trick me into blowing pepper into my face, lol.

Physics 1, Trolls 0

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