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Originally posted by HouseGuru Quite the contrary, I have every right to be here and express my views. Just by making a stupid statement like that you put yourself in the say realm as the fanatics that teach their young to hate because of religion. The world belongs to no one. How righteous we are as humans to think that we are superior to every life form on the planet. No respect for the basic life, no respect for the environment, and no respect for each other. Its no wonder the world is in state of chaos. Even primates are not as violent as humans. Its time to get over yourself and take a look around the world and see this is not an isolated issue. Be a part of the solution not the problem.

Man you said you didn't care about the issue.. and this is a debate about the issue. You don't see the dilemma here? Anyways whatever you want man, what do you want me to say that will make you happy?

Of course this is not an isolated issue, but this is an issue that is overlooked and im simply trying to help.

And again, why is my ego apart of anything here, i'm just frustrated by people like you who are making a mockery of the debate.

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Originally posted by DigiNut And as for this "petition", it boggles the mind that after more than 10 years of so-called "cease fires", there are still people who don't understand the concept of a hudna.

Always remember there is two sides to each story. By the way all these times you heard of the cease fire breaking.. where did you hear them from?

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Originally posted by Anas Attia Man you said you didn't care about the issue.. and this is a debate about the issue. You don't see the dilemma here? Anyways whatever you want man, what do you want me to say that will make you happy? Of cource this is not an isolated issue, but this is an issue that is overlooked and im simply trying to help.

You seem to pick and choose what you want to hear.

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Originally posted by HouseGuru "And for the record I have no interest in supporting either side. I have no emotional attachment to this issue nor do I care which side wins. The only winner in this should be peace"

I said I didn't care which side wins not that i didn't care about the issue. You seem to have selective hearing. The fact is I hope that it is compromise not a win that will settle this.

I don't want any further bloodshed. I rather everybody live by our code of the underground Peace Love Unity and Respect.

Believe me your help would be better used if you educated your people that violence isn't the answer. This goes for the Jewish as well. No one is free from fault here but you need to both accept responsiblity and work toward common ground. Stop trying to figure out who is right or wrong it hasn't worked in decades and it certainly wont work now.

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Originally posted by DigiNut [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=#99CCEE]"Mountains" of evidence, LOL. This post tells all.

I understand your immediate shock at this, but before I put an answer your comment, how familiar are you with the 911 attacks? Have you looked up any of the material that suggests the attacks were not what they seem? I don't want to sway away from the subject, but I want to know so I can address your concern appropriately.

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Originally posted by Anas Attia Always remember there is two sides to each story.

..but your side is the right side and only side, amirite?

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Originally posted by Abercrombie You just called everyone ignorant again.

Calling people ill-informed on a particular subject does not equate to labeling someone as ignorant, i.e. lacking education or knowledge in general.

Work for Murdoch?

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Originally posted by DigiNut

Good posts.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie ..but your side is the right side and only side, amirite?

You are right...which is really sad.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie ..but your side is the right side and only, amirite?

Sorry I didn't know I had a side, I never said that one nation should do this or one nation should do that. I have merely presented facts to showcase that the issue is far more complicated than presented, and we need to learn more before passing judgment. Let alone presenting solutions.

But I did have a question for you... where do you usually hear the news about the cease fire breaking? Because the news will be different depending where you hear it.

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Originally posted by Anas Attia 1. The war in the middle east, is primary one sided, with a massive power on one end vs a small civilian force on the other. (small isn't the keyword here, its civilian)

if you're an actively engaging in a conflict with weapons, you are at minimal considered a paramilitary force (I'm sure that's the criteria from Geneva convention) and you are no longer considered a civillian

or, if you're taking about Hamas, the term terrorists apply better. if I have to explain why Hamas would be considered a terrorist organization... oh well

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2. Israel is building a wall much much bigger than that which was build in Berlin. I'm sure you all remember how happy everyone was when that was taken down.

two different context. West Germany and East Germany were full of Germans separated due to political reasons by the Berlin Wall.
the jews and palestinians are not homogenous ethnic group, so I think a little different story
(not saying I agree with Israel building a wall, though I can understand why such security measure might be used)

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6. The Palestinians virtually have no human rights... Period.

definition of right
-a justified claim on someone, or on some institution, for something which is owed

it is irrelevant to speak of rights, when nobody will protect such rights, or punish people who violate rights

meaning, no one is punishing Israel for violating human rights. no one is really punishing Hamas for their human rights violation too.

rights should exist and be enjoyed by everyone. but if there is no guaranteed mechanism of some sort to guarantee and protect rights, it's almost a non issue

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oh and geroin, the only reason I put up videos is basically due to the fact that I must convey such a large sum of information to rebuttal simple claims like "its the Palestinian's fault there is a wall around them" or "no such thing as Palestinian people"

you were scoffing at the fact that someone claimed Palestine isn't a country. completely different from Palestine as a country (which never existed) and region, and Palestinian people

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

Ok guys, I gotta leave as i'm spinning out of the country for NY.

Just open your hearts, that's all.

take care.

Yohan, for clarification, do you agree with points 3,4,5 or are those none-issues?

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Originally posted by Anas Attia Sorry I didn't know I had a side, I never said that one nation should do this or one nation should do that. I have merely presented facts to showcase that the issue is far more complicated than presented, and we need to learn more before passing judgment. Let alone presenting solutions. But I did have a question for you... where do you usually hear the news about the cease fire breaking? Because the news will be different depending where you hear it.

As you say, I'm ill-informed, so no matter what I say it's wrong to you.

At this point Anas, it's reduntant discussing this with you. You deny Israel's existence like Hamas so we know what side you are on, so it is pointless discussing with you as you've clearly explained in this thread, and proved it in the past.

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