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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i understand, i just don't know why i (or anyone else) is meant to care. for instance, all theologians believe in god

Untrue.

Some of the leading atheists are theologians. Bart Ehrman is a prime example. Hell one of my Exegesis professors is an atheist and it offers a great perspective.

You're also wrong about theologians not teaching about the "evils" of religion.

Reformed theology is a prime example of this, as are the Jesuits in general

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Originally posted by Alex Untrue. Some of the leading atheists are theologians. Bart Ehrman is a prime example. Hell one of my Exegesis professors is an atheist and it offers a great perspective. You're also wrong about theologians not teaching about the "evils" of religion. Reformed theology is a prime example of this, as are the Jesuits in general

really? i had no idea.

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Not to mention all the people who study theology at these bible institutes and what not that quickly lose their faith after exploring the Bible, and become atheists soon after.

It's just retarded methodology on the parts of some of these Christian colleges in the USA and Canada. They teach them that every single detail of the Bible was dictated from God to a secretary (a prophet or apostle) and that if any minute detail is wrong then the Bible is automatically invalid. Then on the reverse they demand that these students engage in elaborate exegesis of certain passages analyzing everything so thoroughly etc, that when they DO inevitably come across a mistake or an error the students run for the hills and become hardened atheists.

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well, good to see theology isn't a complete waste of time then!

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i understand, i just don't know why i (or anyone else) is meant to care. for instance, all theologians believe in god, so what standard of objective study can one really expert from them? i bet there's significant areas where theology doesn't bat an eyelid as it ignores the very real negative impacts of religion on man's history and shaping of the world. can i go take a class on repressive theology or violence and religion, that's taught by a theologian rather than a historian, sociologist or psychologist?? one doesn't need to be a theologian to see the real (rather than perceived or imagined) relationship man has with god and other men... And this isn't even delving into all the other areas theologians DO decide to stick their nose, outside the 'man's relationship with god' argument you're making here. a substantial part of theology is the 'study of the unknowable' alongside the man's relationship part

I think Alex did a good job at addressing your erred assumptions; however, I must add that I never contended theologians don't study some things that are ultimately unknowable... What I did argue was that your assertion that they are only experts on the unknowable was false, I'm pretty certain I've satisfied that goal.

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well, you keep painting it that way. you're suggesting that it is possible to have a relationship with something that isn't there, just the same as anyone with a mental disease might. you haven't explained how a person's (possibly) imaginery relationship with god is any different to the stalker who has a perceived relationship with a celebrity.

You're just being thick now... what I have said is that all relationships are with perceptions... which is to say that they are ultimately with something that does not exist in reality.

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and what interactions does one have with god might i ask??

I would argue that every interaction ever person has with any thing/person is an interaction with God, as god is in all things.

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uh uh uh. you cant change the word to suit. i said "imagination"; "perception" means that you have to have perceived something, which you haven't.

I changed it to correct you. Perception is the processing of stimuli through the filter of past experience, belief, knowledge, reason, deduction, etc. People perceive a relationship with god in the exact same way they perceive a relationship with any other article, by processing information.... the only difference (arguably) is the nature of the information being processed.

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again, i said imaginery, not perceived since you have no substantive interactions with god the same way you might your wife and child, surely you can't be saying they're the same on the scale of reality?

Ah, but I do and they are...

It may be best to discontinue this particular discussion, as it seems we're really going nowhere with it.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard You're just being thick now...

how very christian of you!

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard It may be best to discontinue this particular discussion, as it seems we're really going nowhere with it.

i know! running in circles, not providing any real conclusion or substantial insight, making stuff up as i go along. if only there was some sort of academia that rewarded such tendencies. hmmmmm, i wonder where i could find something like that?

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Well PKC at least you've finally found your God

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I wish he'd tone down the anger a bit though and replace it with humour. Too many of his new pieces are just rants.

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Originally posted by Alex That brings us to divine providence. God gave out the commandments, one of which was do not murder. These commandments are for human beings to follow. Any action God chooses to do, whether it be spit on me or kill me, that cannot be seen as wrong to us because the same laws of morality, physics and practically any other law you can think of do not apply to God. He is not just a vastly more intelligent human being with super powers, he is everything. It is not up to human beings to question the actions or integrity of this said God because the same standards that apply to us mere mortals do not apply to him. It is impossible for God to be hypocritical, evil or menacing as these are traits attributed to free will given to human beings, which is simply not comparable to divine will or divine providence.

Do you have any idea how brainwashed this post makes you sound?

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Originally posted by RickyM Do you have any idea how brainwashed this post makes you sound?

Get out of the PDD kid, every single thing you type out makes you seem stupider.

Labeling something as brainwashing is the most retarded tactic that could possibly be used. It`s a loaded statement, because regardless what answer I give it helps to prove your point. It`s called a logical fallacy, and I wont fall for it. Even though knowing how retarded you usually are when it comes to the topic of religion, you probably didnt mean to do it.

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Originally posted by Alex Get out of the PDD kid, every single thing you type out makes you seem stupider. Labeling something as brainwashing is the most retarded tactic that could possibly be used. It`s a loaded statement, because regardless what answer I give it helps to prove your point. It`s called a logical fallacy, and I wont fall for it. Even though knowing how retarded you usually are when it comes to the topic of religion, you probably didnt mean to do it.

I love how you fill up your posts with insults to mask the complete bullshit that you are typing. It's called a red herring tactic. That's a logical fallacy, and I won't fall for it. Kid.

Reading back in the thread...it looks like you use that tactic on other people who call you out on the bullshit you are typing. Keep it up though, it's only confirming you to be a fool.

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