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Originally posted by thedoggyworld I doubt that one. Once health care reform passes, the 2010 is a landslide for Republicans.

Fixed... considering the majority of americans do not want it passed in its current form.

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Originally posted by The17sss Fixed... considering the majority of americans do not want it passed in its current form.

It will pass whether or not the Republican Senate wants it or not. The Republican Senate is lagging, especially Chack Grassley. The guy needs to resign, along with the rest of the Republican Senate. If they do not I couldn't see how public executions of the Republican Senate would be that lagging behind.

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Let's have an honest debate about this whole health care thing, right?

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Originally posted by Shakka Let's have an honest debate about this whole health care thing, right?

haha... but but... it's the republicans who astroturf!

MoveOn.org member bites off finger of man who opposed Obamacare at rally:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/200...itten-off-.html





but it's the GOP who are "evil mongers", "nazis", "psychos", and "violent angry mobs"

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Originally posted by The17sss MoveOn.org member bites off finger of man who opposed Obamacare at rally: http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/200...itten-off-.html but it's the GOP who are "evil mongers", "nazis", "psychos", and "violent angry mobs"

Holy shit! I hope he has good insurance...and a good lawyer.

I dont.

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by Bill Maher And I have to say this, if you get injured while fighting against health care, you have to lie there and bleed. You just do. I'm sorry.

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Originally posted by The17sss MoveOn.org member bites off finger of man who opposed Obamacare at rally: http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/200...itten-off-.html but it's the GOP who are "evil mongers", "nazis", "psychos", and "violent angry mobs"

Yeah, right. Whatever you say, champ. What exactly happened again?:

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A 65-year-old man had his finger bitten off Wednesday evening at a health care rally in Thousand Oaks, according to the Ventura County Sheriff's Department. Sheriff's investigators were called to Hillcrest and Lynn Road at 7:26 p.m. About 100 protesters sponsored by MoveOn.org were having a rally supporting health care reform. A group of anti-health care reform protesters formed across the street. A witness from the scene says a man was walking through the anti-reform group to get to the pro-reform side when he got into an altercation with the 65-year-old, who opposes health care reform. The 65-year-old was apparently aggressive and hit the other man, who then retaliated by biting off his attacker's pinky, according to Karoli from DrumsnWhistles. The man took his finger and walked to Los Robles hospital for treatment. http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/kt...0,7135717.story

According to eyewitnesses:

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To be clear here: There were no threats, no dark moods, and there was no mob. I repeat, there was no mob. We were peaceful people holding candles and signs. (snip)However, there is no question that Orange Shirt guy was aching to fight, was willing to pick a fight, and certainly didn’t care who he fought with. He chose people who were shorter than he, and he used his voice, his body, his body language and his height to intimidate them. http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/09/03/health-care-vigil-in-thousand-oaks-provocation-to-violent-response/

The "man who opposed Obamacare" threw the first punch, but yet he isn't a "violent angry mob?!?!?" Sorry he got his finger bit off and all, but who got violent first here?

And the biggest fucking irony of all? The fucking douchebag wingnut teabagger HAD GOVERNMENT-RUN MEDICARE!!!!!! Wonder if he's going to give his Social Security payments and Medicare back to the government anytime soon....

Keep those stories running. They're terrific.

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Originally posted by Shakka Somebody finish the quote: "God loves Marines..."

The following rant below is aimed at the gentleman in the video, not because he is a Marine and served our country with honor, but because of his misplaced beliefs as well as others like him:

I'm sorry, but was that guy supposed to actually be inspiring somehow? Sure didn't take long for the fucknut to reference Nazis.

So fucking ridiculous, Shakka, I really wonder if you think it's worth addressing? But I always tend to question whenever I hear wingnut shits like that guy, where the fuck were they when it was revealed just how intrusive Bush was in our domestic surveillance?

Where the fuck was he when Bush thought it prudent to expand our government to such levels not seen by just the last Democratic president (who, strangely had a smaller government than the last 3 Republican POTUS's), but by any president before him?

And I also wonder, does he really love the current health care system as it is? He demanded that his Rep. to keep his hands off his health care. Funny, because you can take the most drastic, hard-left, tree-hugging, government takeover House bill that's currently proposed right now, which contains the OPTION to choose government insurance like Medicare OR TO KEEP THE SAME PIECE OF SHIT INSURANCE THAT WE ALL HAVE FROM CIGNA, UNITED HEALTHCARE, ETC., and he has no fucking argument at all.

No, this twit is not arguing about health care. He's arguing because he's in a fringe nutbag group who yells quite loudly that either the African-American president is not a legitimate citizen of the U.S., the government who's been in the hands of fringe nutbags like him for 8 years is now in the hands of a party that's going to take over the government completely just like Hitler and the Nazis (and despite the phrase "Socialist" in the Nazi party's name, one can easily argue core parts of ultranationalism and authoritarianism in Fascism could have been readily apparent in extremist conservatism, i.e. the bastardized version known as neoconservatism), and that Democrats are out to kill Grandma (sadly, each point above has been easily disproven, except maybe the Nazi point which is so fucking absurd on its face it's not even worth the time).

It's fucking tiring hearing people like this. If he has a legitimate argument to present, then he needs to present it. If he's only going to yell about these asinine Limbaugh talking points without actually stopping for one fucking second to look at whether or not there's validity in those points (i.e. examining counterarguments and weighing who actually has supporting evidence), then why the fuck would I or anyone honestly take him seriously? He and the rest of the fringe fucks need to keep their paranoid asses out of the way of actually doing something worthwhile to correct this corrupt, MURDER BY SPREADSHEET, health care system while we still can. Unless they actually read the fucking bills that are out there instead of relying on slanted, extremist AM radio blowhards to deliberately distort and obfuscate the bills for them, why bother taking any of their paranoid delusions seriously?

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What a great system we currently have. We really should keep it instead of having this illegitimate, Hitleresque president change things and take over ALL OF OUR LIVES!!!!!!!!

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Insured and in debt: Even with coverage Californians struggle to pay medical bills 1.4 million have medical debt despite having insurance, new report shows By Gwendolyn Driscoll | 8/31/2009 11:15:00 AM More than 2.2 million California adults report having medical debt, and two-thirds of those incurred the debt while insured, according to the authors of "The State of Health Insurance in California (SHIC)," a comprehensive new report from the UCLA Center for Health Policy Research. In total, nearly one in seven non-elderly adults in California (13 percent) have some kind of medical debt, and more than 800,000 Californians have medical debt greater than $2,000. The state's Northern and Sierra counties are the most affected, with nearly 25 percent of the population having medical debt of some kind. Central Coast counties also had high percentages of debt. (View a breakdown of medical debt by region and county.) Individuals with medical debt are twice as likely as those without debt to delay or forgo needed health care, the report found. "That even insured people are forced to take on medical debt to pay for their health care is another glaring inadequacy in our current system of health insurance," said E. Richard Brown, director of the UCLA Center for Health Policy Research and lead author of the SHIC report. "Current policies either do not offer enough coverage or offer full-coverage at a cost that is too expensive for many people to bear. "The result is that too many people have health insurance plans that leave them financially vulnerable and force them to delay the care they need." The biennial SHIC report, produced by the UCLA Center for Health Policy Research with support from The California Endowment and The California Wellness Foundation, presents a representative view of the troubled state of health insurance coverage at a crucial moment, as members of Congress debate the merits of national health insurance reform. The report, based on the latest data from the California Health Interview Survey (CHIS), the nation's largest state health survey, is the most comprehensive examination of health insurance coverage in the nation's most populous and diverse state. "Heath coverage is supposed to protect Americans from the financial burden of health care costs," said Dr. Robert K. Ross, CEO and president of The California Endowment. "Americans should be outraged that the very system that they depend on for health care no longer offers that protection." Specifically, the SHIC report found: Medical debt results in delays in care Californians with medical debt were much more likely than those without debt to delay getting the care they needed. * Those with debt were twice as likely to report delays in care: 32.3 percent reported delays in getting needed care, compared with 16.1 percent of those without medical debt. * Delays were higher as the amount of debt increased: Among those with more than $8,000 of medical debt, 43 percent reported delays in getting care. * Debt can lead to loans and bankruptcy: Among those with medical debt, more than half (55.4 percent) reported financial consequences ranging from an inability to pay for basic necessities to credit card debt to a declaration of bankruptcy. * High-deductible plans may contribute to medical debt: Nearly 40 percent of individuals with privately purchased insurance coverage chose plans with deductibles of $1,000 or more or, for a family plan, $2,000 or more. Health insurance coverage is stagnating In 2007, at the height of an economic expansion, 6.4 million Californians were uninsured for all or part of the year, a number that has changed little since 2001. Specifically: * There has been little change in employment-based insurance: Job-based insurance covered 56.4 percent of the total non-elderly population in 2001; in 2007, coverage was at 55.6 percent. * Employment-based children's coverage has declined: Slightly more than half (52.2 percent) of children in California were covered by their parent's employer's policy in 2007, a rate nearly three percentage points lower than in 2001 (55.1 percent). * Public coverage is flat: Coverage of children and non-elderly adults by Medi-Cal (California's Medicaid program) and Healthy Families (California's State Children's Health Insurance Program) remained flat between 2005 and 2007, at 15.3 percent. "It raises questions about the effectiveness of the current market-based system of private health insurance," said Dr. Shana Alex Lavarreda, director of health insurance studies and a co-author of the report. "If, at the height of an economic expansion, California's health insurance coverage was still weaker than in the past, then what does that say? It suggests that our health insurance system is at its straining point and millions of people are falling through the cracks." In 2007, at the peak of this decade's economic expansion, 6.4 million Californians, including 1.1 million children, lacked insurance all or part of the year. Since then, the recession, severe cuts to state programs that insure children and the doubling of the state's unemployment rate have pushed the number of uninsured even higher, the report's authors say. "With more than 6 million Californians uninsured and more than 1 million who have health insurance in medical debt, the need for comprehensive health care reform is clear," said Gary L. Yates, president and CEO of The California Wellness Foundation. "However, no matter what the outcome of reform efforts, adequate funding for the health care safety net — community clinics, public and nonprofit hospitals — must be maintained to ensure access to care for the state's uninsured and underinsured." The California Endowment, a private, statewide health foundation, was established in 1996 to expand access to affordable, quality health care for underserved individuals and communities and to promote fundamental improvements in the health status of all Californians. The California Wellness Foundation's mission is to improve the health of the people of California by making grants for health promotion, wellness education and disease prevention. The California Health Interview Survey (CHIS) is the nation's largest state health survey and one of the largest health surveys in the United States. The UCLA Center for Health Policy Research is one of the nation's leading health policy research centers and the premier source of health-related information on Californians. For more news, visit the UCLA Newsroom or follow us on Twitter. Gwendolyn Driscoll, 310-794-0930 [email protected] http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucl...debt-99981.aspx

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