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| quote: | Originally posted by boris_the_bear
but let me ask you this instead: do you not find one of the following to be natural for a human being - heterosexual / homosexual? don't you think nature has a cause for things like that? |
Both sexual orientations are natural for human beings. Is it not extremely fucking obvious by the evidence that gay people, you know, exist?
I am well the fuck aware that the point you are trying to establish is that man+women=children is the "natural" way of things, and indeed, you are not wrong in this, as it is the practice most humans endeavor on. But just where is your evidence to suggest that homosexuality is unnatural? It has already been established in this thread that all range of other animals practice it as well - do you think they were corrupted by liberal society as well?
Where does "natural" end for you and "unnatural" begin though? Can you answer that? Can anyone answer that? It seems to me that people base this off of what their gut tells them, and that's typically just a reflection of what mom or dad taught them. But fucking truly - what reason do you have to object to the happiness of others, much less the equal recognition by government amongst citizens?
There is a much larger issue for me here, and it does not have to do with homosexuality. Whatever your views are and whatever reasons you suppose for holding them are of limited concern to me. I've participated in enough of these threads to know that I am not really going to change anyone's mind, and truly - that's not my directive here. What I object to, however, is egocentricism in a civic sense; By this, I mean opinion's oppression on civil liberties. In this instance, people can't get over their fucking selves to realize there is a very real breach of rights here - for the government and people to say that an entirely consensual union between people is inferior to others merely because of the parties involved is a gross injustice. It's like enough people agreeing with one another that red is an inferior colour to blue because the ocean is blue and the ocean is natural, thereby placing a ban on red, and worse still, getting away with it. It's fucking cherry-picking in the worst, most irresponsible sense because the majority of people can almost wash their hands entirely clean of it when it's not in their face, but the silent minority must merely sit back and accept their branding in society as unnatural, second-class citizens, with second-class benefits.
It's very reminiscent of fights that have already been fought - particularly those over skin colour or ethnicity. To make an analagous point of this: I do not care if you are racist, your views are yours, but for you to use your government as a platform to project your ego, to merely perpetuate your own half-baked views at the expense of the others' basic, human rights for equal governmental recognition... well if you don't see a problem with that, this conversation was over before it started.
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