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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Saka, I think everyone in this thread will recognise that me telling you the above statement is one of the most mind numbingly ill-thought ever uttered in any theology thread on this board is about as big a condemnation there could be. 1) the Bible is so inaccurate in so many ways that most Christian churchs (including the RCs, Anglicans and Eastern Orthos) stress that the Bible cannot be understood or accepted as litteral. 2) Science can only have any position on things that are observable; subsequently, science cannot hold any position on God(s). If any group ever had a vested interest in disproving evolutionary theory it is the Vatican. The fact that the Vatican fully accepts evolution as the most probable explenation for how life on earth developed suggests to me that greater minds then yours, mine, or anyone in this thread have already conceeded the fight you're trying to advance. I'm willing to accept there being validity in most theological beliefs; however, arguing that the Bible is a better explenation of the origins of life than evolutionary theory is beyond the pail.

There you go Saka, a reasonable theist. While I dont agree with everything moral hazard has to say, to me it seems his explanations are intelligible and worthy of discussion.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Incidentally, the satan of the Bible (trace the word satan back and you discover that is actually only means opponent meaning opponent to god, which is concept that only entered into Judaism from Zoroastorism following the Jew's exile to Babalon) is not one in the same as the popular image of "the devil."

bollocks. there is a fallen angel who is destined for epic final conflict against the creator of the universe, and we can all pick a side if we want. don't fuck up the story

personally ill be fighting on the lord's side coz he's bringing the biggest guns.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN bollocks. there is a fallen angel who is destined for epic final conflict against the creator of the universe, and we can all pick a side if we want. don't fuck up the story personally ill be fighting on the lord's side coz he's bringing the biggest guns.

I'm with the talking snake..He's the only one that told the truth and encouraged Adam + Eve to stop being mindless drones. See you on the battlefield bitch.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN bollocks. there is a fallen angel who is destined for epic final conflict against the creator of the universe, and we can all pick a side if we want. don't fuck up the story

Sorry Paul, I know you love that book but the whole war kinda ended in 68CE when the anti-christ killed himself.... or if you want to take a more liberal view; in 313 when Conny decided Jesus was the dude.

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Originally posted by RickyM you're just a shit version of Moral Hazard. At least he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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Originally posted by Capitalizt I'm with the talking snake..He's the only one that told the truth and encouraged Adam + Eve to stop being mindless drones. See you on the battlefield bitch.

this is going to be my Sig as soon as I get home from work lol

Religion is for me an excercise in flowery ignorance. I have inherently little respect for any devout follower or even passive believer in a religion. I am MUCH more lenient with Buddhists about this than Christians, Muslims & Co, and you can take a swing at why that is.

I'd be happy to see all religion gone.



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The total amount of suffering per year in the natural world is beyond all decent contemplation. During the minute that it takes me to compose this sentence, thousands of animals are being eaten alive, many others are running for their lives, whimpering with fear, others are slowly being devoured from within by rasping parasites, thousands of all kinds are dying of starvation, thirst, and disease. It must be so. If there ever is a time of plenty, this very fact will automatically lead to an increase in the population until the natural state of starvation and misery is restored. In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN bollocks. there is a fallen angel who is destined for epic final conflict against the creator of the universe, and we can all pick a side if we want. don't fuck up the story personally ill be fighting on the lord's side coz he's bringing the biggest guns.

/cue Dragonforce song

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Originally posted by woscar "Debating creationists on the topic of evolution is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon; it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory." - Scott D. Weitzenhoffer