Also, DJ Skez, if something tarnishes Coca-Cola's image, they're quick to repair in order to make sure they don't see their profits plummet. Ziptnf can tell us quite a lot about the suspicion there was about Coca-Cola being involved in the murders of Colombian villagers a while back, and how Coca-Cola actually took several measures to prevent being involved in these assassinations in the first place.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On I voted for Marijuana legalization and I won! (Okay, so I had some help)

And I think that's awesome!

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On How many Mexicans have you saved this year?

I saved a Spaniard, does that count?

There's no denying their crooked ways. Did you know that Coca Cola is still the top selling drink and Diet Coke is now #2, they just bumped Pepsi to #3 according to U.S. sales ending in 2011. If only the sheeps we call consumers knew of the long term effects of soda in the human body.

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Originally posted by Lira Also, DJ Skez, if something tarnishes Coca-Cola's image, they're quick to repair in order to make sure they don't see their profits plummet. Ziptnf can tell us quite a lot about the suspicion there was about Coca-Cola being involved in the murders of Colombian villagers a while back, and how Coca-Cola actually took several measures to prevent being involved in these assassinations in the first place.

Or about washing their hands clean after the fact when the local Union was organizing for a $0.05 raise for every worker?

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Originally posted by Vector A I dunno, throwing up one's hands and just not bothering with any moral battles at all (since fighting all of them effectively would be impossible) strikes me as even worse than addressing one or two of them selectively.

The point is more that any person living in first world society inevitably has blood indirectly on their hands, and the moral battles people choose to fight are generally decided by what comfortably fits with their lifestyle. Which is not so much an invitation to carte blanche ignore moral battles, but rather a good reason not to be so high and fucking mighty when other people don't pick the same ones.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J The point is more that any person living in first world society inevitably has blood indirectly on their hands, and the moral battles people choose to fight are generally decided by what comfortably fits with their lifestyle. Which is not so much an invitation to carte blanche ignore moral battles, but rather a good reason not to be so high and fucking mighty when other people don't pick the same ones.

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Originally posted by Lira No, I don't feel either dignified or righteous. I feel fucking afraid because I'm here where we have to deal with all the violence produced by these groups.

Also, I'm surprised by how most of you seem to ignore some of the key points and keep addressing arguments I've ever made because you feel insulted. It was going all fine and dandy until page 1, when I believe people just started reading the title and didn't bother with the details. That's the only explanation I can find for tackling arguments I never made.

This is what I'm saying:

• For the millionth time, I'm not telling people to quit using drugs, I'm just telling you to boycott drugs from developing countries;
  
• This is, in short, a plea for the legalisation of drugs in your countries, as you've got the infrastructure to deal with this problem;
  
• There are organisations that control/supervise the commerce of legal products/substances, and they can act as whistle-blowers. No such mechanism exists with drugs - everything happens in the dark because of its illegal status;
  
• There are whole armies funded by drug trafficking, so powerful that they often outgun our police forces (as rdevito mentioned in the other thread). I've yet to see a Coca-cola armie, an iron mining gang, or a criminal Adidas syndicate.

You know what? I'm on Team Lira now. I think I always was. To elaborate:

-To stop crime, we must stop doing criminal things. We Must also outlaw crime and murder. which leads me to:

-It is our responsibility as developed nations to immediately legislate those things that indirectly affect the goings on of neighbouring nations. After all, change starts at home. Just, you know, not your home. It's as easy as voting 1-2-3. Call now.

-Read the labels on your drugs, people. If they say 'Made in Mexico' or 'Made in Colombia' on the wrapper (drugs come in wrappers, right????), promptly turn about-face from the Burger King parking lot you arranged to meet your dealer at, and hope they don't shoot you for wasting their fucking time. Because the drug trade is the same as brutal violence. It has nothing to do with expansive crime syndicates in the first place. Nope. Hey, look, BK chicken fries in the adjacent parking spot- score!

-Corporations do not commit violence and have security forces to enforce their business in countries foreign to your own. This didn't need to be said, as it's self-evident that transparency is multinational business' motto. One might even say their reputations depend on it.

-Boycotting has a profound effect on black market trade and the safety of others. Because because.

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rofl

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On -To stop crime, we must stop doing criminal things. We Must also outlaw crime and murder.

Now, this bit is pretty obvious, innit?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On -It is our responsibility as developed nations to immediately legislate those things that indirectly affect the goings on of neighbouring nations. After all, change starts at home. Just, you know, not your home.

My discourse is not any different for people here either. I'm as much a supporter of legalisation here as I'm a supporter of legalisation abroad.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On -Read the labels on your drugs, people. If they say 'Made in Mexico' or 'Made in Colombia' on the wrapper (drugs come in wrappers, right????), promptly turn about-face from the Burger King parking lot you arranged to meet your dealer at, and hope they don't shoot you for wasting their fucking time. Because the drug trade is the same as brutal violence. It has nothing to do with expansive crime syndicates in the first place. Nope. Hey, look, BK chicken fries in the adjacent parking spot- score!

I never said drug trade equals brutal violence, otherwise I would be against drug use altogether.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On -Corporations do not commit violence and have security forces to enforce their business in countries foreign to your own. This didn't need to be said, as it's self-evident that transparency is multinational business' motto. One might even say their reputations depend on it.

When was the last time you saw a big corporation committing terrorist acts repeatedly ravaging a whole country or a corporation threatening the security of a large metropolis in such a dramatic way the armed forces had to be deployed?

I'm not saying big corporations are the capitalist equivalent of UNESCO. However, they're much easier to deal with than criminals in general.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On -Boycotting has a profound effect on black market trade and the safety of others. Because because.

Because this is their main source of profit.

Come on, mate, it sounds like you're disagreeing with me just for the hell of it. You're attacking straw men, even though my position isn't nearly as extreme. I know you're smarter than this

Am I being punk'd or something? What the shit?

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