@ nefardec: Bullshit, it's simple: Any squelchy, 303 like sound used over the top in an electronic track makes it acid.
That's why rave tracks ubiquitously feature such sounds, cause they make rave the acid techno/house/trance/electro that it is.
You wanna space'm?
Add an acid lead or maybe more of 'em.

What you're talking about is the whole industrial, psy, goth, kraut inspired styles, which included acid tracks as well, but then we're talking about the difference between the whole house/techno/electro/party movement and the different styles found in it.
What do you think led to the whole cyber-goth movement and the electronic styles associated with it?
It's the movement you are describing over and over again.
Of course, it also yielded the early house, techno, electro, acid, rave, psy, etc. styles and sub-scenes, but it wasn't called acid by default at that time, it came under a multiple of nomers, including house, techno, new wave, industrial, rave, electro, acid, etc. and as far as i know people didn't care about nomers and labels as much as they do now.

In the late 80's and early 90's, acid, whatever it meant before, became to mean tracks with at least one squelchy, 303 like lead that dominated the track.
Because the early and mid 80's were a mess with regards to labeling the emerging styles, like it always is with emerging styles, it's better to retrospectively label tracks, because looking back things are clearer.
While there already was some consensus with regards to house and techno, acid, which was just in it's very babyhood, was still being developed as an off-shoot.
But anyway, let's not bore each other with our different views more than necessary.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Your argument is nonsensical because it's just so fucking stupid.

Well, actually it looks even better when reversed

Your argument is so fucking stupid because it's just nonsensical.

Meantime doesn't this type of dog-chasing-tail discussion really belong over at Infinite State Machine?

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Originally posted by Ishkur Defining acid house without the 303 is like defining soccer without the ball.

Thanks for that analogy -

Kids who can't afford soccer balls might play the game with tin cans.. it's still the same game.

In any case, I'm NOT defining acid without the 303, I'm just expanding the definition beyond it, focusing more on the technique and the desired 'effect' rather than the instrument itself. In other words, sort of like describing the whole game of soccer, rather than just the ball.

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Originally posted by Barachem What you're talking about is the whole industrial, psy, goth, kraut inspired styles, which included acid tracks as well

Well lots of movements, and subsequently, genres, came about with the new technology. But acid house was specifically a 'cybernetic' continuation of disco, whereas the other styles aren't.

As others have pointed out, just because a track has 303 or that sound in it (eg the 10 Ragas track or the Pink Floyd), doesn't mean it's 'acid'.

Last edited by nefardec on May-19-2011 at 16:01

To me acid is like old school........ its just acid, not house not trance not fucking whatever the fuck the God dammned tv tells you ITS WHAT I SAY DAMMIT!

oldschool=ACID

ACID=oldschool. not jimi hendrix, no waveform ID, just classical fuckin tunage. I use too think acid trance was like trance and Acid Tracid tracks, but now I know. And I am telling you all so, you can say oh.

Oh

i know,
I said oh too

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Originally posted by sg_57 Well, actually it looks even better when reversed Your argument is so fucking stupid because it's just nonsensical. Meantime doesn't this type of dog-chasing-tail discussion really belong over at Infinite State Machine?

Try:

Your argument is just so stupid because it's fucking nonsensical.

Or: http://www.translationparty.com/#9330364

let's go!

Your argument is nonsensical because it's just so fucking stupid.

into Japanese

それだけでばかクソだから君の主張は無意味である。

back into English

Your argument simply because it is a stupid fucking pointless.

back into Japanese

あなたの議論は、単にそれは愚かなクソ無意味だからです。

back into English

Your argument is meaningless because it is just fucking stupid.

back into Japanese

それだけで愚かなクソされているため、引数は無意味です。

back into English

Because it just is fucking stupid, the argument is meaningless.

back into Japanese

それだけで愚かなクソされているため、引数は無意味です。

back into English

Because it just is fucking stupid, the argument is meaningless.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Try: Because it just is fucking stupid, the argument is meaningless.

Thanks for the LULZ!!

Now suddenly it all started making sense.

Lemme try my own homebrew Yodaspeak™ generator:

Because stupid so fucking your argument is, nonsensical to be it appears.

Now if I could record a speech synthesis software system saying this and passing it through a TB-303's analog filter, we'd be getting somewhere....

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Originally posted by sg_57 Thanks for the LULZ!! Now suddenly it all started making sense. Lemme try my own homebrew Yodaspeak™ generator: Because stupid so fucking your argument is, nonsensical to be it appears. Now if I could record a speech synthesis software system saying this and passing it through a TB-303's analog filter, we'd be getting somewhere....

That's actually a pretty cool idea, to use the translation party as verses that change over time and degrade into nonsense.

If someone can upload the text to speech in an audio file, I'll vocode it.

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Originally posted by Barachem @ nefardec: Bullshit, it's simple: Any squelchy, 303 like sound used over the top in an electronic track makes it acid. That's why rave tracks ubiquitously feature such sounds, cause they make rave the acid techno/house/trance/electro that it is. You wanna space'm? Add an acid lead or maybe more of 'em. What you're talking about is the whole industrial, psy, goth, kraut inspired styles, which included acid tracks as well, but then we're talking about the difference between the whole house/techno/electro/party movement and the different styles found in it. What do you think led to the whole cyber-goth movement and the electronic styles associated with it? It's the movement you are describing over and over again. Of course, it also yielded the early house, techno, electro, acid, rave, psy, etc. styles and sub-scenes, but it wasn't called acid by default at that time, it came under a multiple of nomers, including house, techno, new wave, industrial, rave, electro, acid, etc. and as far as i know people didn't care about nomers and labels as much as they do now. In the late 80's and early 90's, acid, whatever it meant before, became to mean tracks with at least one squelchy, 303 like lead that dominated the track. Because the early and mid 80's were a mess with regards to labeling the emerging styles, like it always is with emerging styles, it's better to retrospectively label tracks, because looking back things are clearer. While there already was some consensus with regards to house and techno, acid, which was just in it's very babyhood, was still being developed as an off-shoot. But anyway, let's not bore each other with our different views more than necessary.

Scooter used the 303 in many tracks, someone forgot to call it german acid techno

But I still think that that many subgenres sucks and like you say is true, we really didn't bother about subgenres in the late 80's.

In this one I don't think the Acid sound dominates the track so then this must be a merge of Ska and Acid?



Also, if you would add that Acid 303 like sound to this one it's suddenly Acid House, so subgenre switching is pretty easy:



Acid Trance?

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