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Originally posted by Lolo that's what they told us indeed. then we found a partner for vinyl. the day we did a vinyl or 2 we saw many coming back to us, yet it's nothing to do with the golden years in terms of sales. Also keep in mind that our main labels have turned completely into underground house and techno music, vinyl friendly genres. Don't expect anything trancy on those. (For those who didn't follow up, I switched and am now active under the umbrella of our partner label J00F)

What are your main labels? Do you know what the size of your average run is?

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Originally posted by MSZ To me your views are pathetic. Remind me to stay clear of you.

Cheers buddy.

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Originally posted by MiikkaLeinonen Piracy is ok for me. Im happy to see someone download my tracks as it means wider audience. Thats why I release my music in the first place - to get my tracks heared and liked. I would trade 10 000 track sales for 1 000 000 free listeners any time. But when it gets to the point where someone else is using my music to make money and I get nothing out of it, then it makes no sense to me.

Same here

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If less is more think about how much more more would be. -Frasier

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Originally posted by zodiac9 I hope RB is just being sarcastic. If not, that's a very self defeating attitude. I don't want adulation, I want fair compensation. Same for most of us here.

Pessimism of the intellect (i'e my ability), optimism of the will, that's me.

Not self defeating at all, but humble. I'm cool with that. No one owes me a cent, I desrve no recognition whatsoever, just like the struggling author or painter.

This whole 'the world owes me a living' is symptomatic of a western entitlment mindset where schools preach to kids that everyones a winner, everyone makes a vlaid contribution and that everyone deserves a medal. Fuk that self pitying shit.

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depends on the time of month. Usually the menu is just oral but if it is nearing the end of the month and i need to score, i will do just about anything.

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Originally posted by Woony What are your main labels? Do you know what the size of your average run is?

Bonzai Progressive, Eyepatch, Green Martian, Progrez, J00F, Subtraxx, many more...

Giving you sales figures would be truly irrelevant, besides that I wouldn't post on forums with own artists what they make off music. It's their responsibility not mine. I'll be a gent and tell you about mine a bit.

Irrelevant because it's damn easy to hire a group of people who buy your stuff with credit cards etc... so you get up in the charts. This is the trend of the moment in dance music, like 40 years ago hehe.
Also because today you don't make enough money off records sales only, you eventually could get there, but you have to perform first, then you might eventually make enough money for a good year (if you had a very very very good album then) until the next record.

The lifespan of a record was incredibly reduced to maximum 2 weeks today. An album is maybe 2 months? Hey... it used to be 4 months for a single and 2 years for an album. That's the digital era.

I think Trilogique sold 4000 cd's and like 30 000 downloads in 6 years. That's for a triple album with 30 tracks (with big guns signing among others) that almost did it, but apparently not well enough. The gigs I got off it got me more money.

I have a dayjob or two besides my artist life in order to feed the family. Prior to this situation, like a decade ago, I used to earn an average of 75000$ a year off music sales only and the gigs were a good extra income. Still my commitment to everything that's music related remains intact today with other things in-between: kids, bills...

Others might be more successful, we faced that situation before with some unhappy artists, honestly, I don't look back today. Good for them if they are making big money.

There's no ideal label. There are situations you're cool with, or not. I'm okay with mine.

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Don't you think this new model of minimum sales from many artists sort of fucked up. I mean this is how borderline scam products make their money. By selling shit , but so much shit at a small markup made by little kids. It is dollar store marketing. In this instance the kids are the producers. Labels don't seem to be putting much emphasis on brand. I sometimes wonder why people even bother in the first place. I mean i know why. But at some point your ego has to get tired of the idea of having / being on a meaningless label that has no revenue, no cashflow. no capital. Honestly, maybe you guys should start applying for subsidies for your music.

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Originally posted by Lolo Irrelevant because it's damn easy to hire a group of people who buy your stuff with credit cards etc... so you get up in the charts. This is the trend of the moment in dance music, like 40 years ago hehe.

Hey do you really know or got any proof for this? There's been lots of rumours Arty buying himself top of a beatport charts. Easy way get your tracks up there and make a name to buy your own tracks as many djs hype and play top tracks.

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i would say the types are the one offs. With a really shitty track. Arty, as much as some people don't like him, usually those trance purists, are outweighed by lots of people that do. Beatport is so irrelevant either way. Every artist making money is doing it on itunes with their own label. It only makes a difference in cachet.

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Originally posted by MiikkaLeinonen Hey do you really know or got any proof for this? There's been lots of rumours Arty buying himself top of a beatport charts. Easy way get your tracks up there and make a name to buy your own tracks as many djs hype and play top tracks.

whenever i see minimal tracks in the top ten, i know they've been paid for. like last month that one minimal track (which is nothing special) kept the #1 spot ahead of 'here we go' by Hard Rock Sofa. All i kept thinking was, "really?".

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Originally posted by MiikkaLeinonen Hey do you really know or got any proof for this? There's been lots of rumours Arty buying himself top of a beatport charts. Easy way get your tracks up there and make a name to buy your own tracks as many djs hype and play top tracks.

That's a very old trick you know. Needless to say that it happens today as well. It has a limited cost for artists. They get almost half the money back off sales, and they get lots of attention from the media as they use charts as a trigger for gigs, where the real money is today. I don't have a "proof" of that. But do you think artists buying their fb likes, youtube views, really care more about buying their own record several times to make it top specific charts? A beatport trance #1 is like 300 downloads today. Many dj's don't hype and play top tracks, what they play is based on where their interest is. and many others just buy what's in the chart, even in underground as there's so much available that they don't have a clue.

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