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Originally posted by Desiderata Maybe because they tried for Murder 2 and wasted a lot of time with that by slandering Zimmerman's image instead of seeking Manslaughter from the get go. I'm surprised they didn't have at least a couple black jurors.

Exactly. They should have gone for Manslaughter from the outset and Zimmerman would be in orange pyjamas by now.

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Originally posted by theCheif Theres plenty of evidence that Martin started the fight though. Zimmerman was the only one who sustained damage consistent with blunt force trauma, indicating that Martin immediately had the upper hand in the altercation, or in other words jumped him. Theres also evidence that there was a struggle for the gun, something that couldn't have happened unless Zimmerman was taken totally by surprise.

There's plenty of evidence to the contrary though so just stick to the facts that are either concrete or Zimmerman has admitted to.

And trust, if I had just killed a kid for no good reason, I would headbutt the pavement too and make sure it was self defense

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Originally posted by Desiderata I wonder how your view would be if this was a white kid in a hoodie.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney so basically girls showing skin deserve rape

yes. in the ass.

inch allah!

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange its as stupid as this:

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Yup, Zimmerman was found not guilty in the same state that concluded Casey Anthony was not guilty. The verdict is, if you want to commit a crime, do it in Florida.

One good reason might be, "It's the deep south, a guy is following you, he might have a weapon but hasn't brandished it yet, so beat him senseless before he has a chance to hurt you." Granted, that's probably not what I would do in Trayvon's place. Beating a man still gives him a chance to get his weapon. Strangulation is much more effective once he's on the ground beneath you, as is a quick jab to the throat if you have an opening. If you fear for your life, you shouldn't be picky about how you disable/kill the person beyond how quickly you can eliminate the threat.

This is assuming I picked a fight, of course; had I time to assess the situation I might try talking him down first if I thought I could. I don't know if Trayvon had that chance or not. Given that Zimmerman tried talking first (which we could hear through Martin's phone), I'm inclined to believe Martin had that chance. Since his first reaction was to attack Zimmerman up close, it's also unlikely that Zimmerman had his gun unholstered, much less pointing at Martin right then. Basically, the evidence suggests that Martin should have been able to engage Zimmerman in dialogue and establish that this was a misunderstanding.


Don't take that to mean I'm blind to Zimmerman's role in creating the situation in the first place. Just because it's not what I'm talking about at the moment doesn't mean I'm ignoring it.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN No. Please stop trying, you're just digging yourself deeper. Lets just focus on agreed facts and what has been admitted by Zimmerman: Martin was walking home. Zimmerman was following Martin. Zimmerman called the police. They told him not to say anything or get out of his car. Zimmerman started talking to Martin and eventually got out of his car. Zimmerman killed martin at close range. There you have it. Regardless of whatever peoples "opinions" are or what transpired outside of those events, Martin would have got home, Zimmerman would not have pulled gun and Martin would be alive. Anyone can walk anywhere that is not private property and should do so unhindered. That is actually the law. Everything that Zimmerman did was either against direct police advice or even technically illegal.

Do you realize that 911 dispatchers are not "the police"? They're the people that tell you to avoid any conflict whatsoever in any circumstance. If an intruder breaks into your house and you have a loaded gun next to your bed, they'd tell you to hide in a closet. Saying "the police told him not to follow" is a complete falsity.

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Originally posted by OrangestO This isn't about physics, this is about waves.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Anyone can walk anywhere that is not private property and should do so unhindered. That is actually the law.

Actually, no it's not. It was a gated community. It's gated for a reason, because it's private. It's the same as a private beach. It's not the law that anyone can be on a private beach, being that it's private and all.

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Originally posted by OrangestO This isn't about physics, this is about waves.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN There's plenty of evidence to the contrary though so just stick to the facts that are either concrete or Zimmerman has admitted to. And trust, if I had just killed a kid for no good reason, I would headbutt the pavement too and make sure it was self defense

But the facts I mentioned are concrete. They were introduced during the trial.

And example of non-facts would be your assertion that Zimmerman self inflicted those wounds.

Right, and I'm sure when a shot was fired people would be there to see some guy pounding his own head on the pavement.

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Originally posted by OrangestO This isn't about physics, this is about waves.

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Originally posted by OrangestO This isn't about physics, this is about waves.