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Originally posted by DJ RANN So from this, I see that clearly understand that the leader of your country is a habitual liar, a "master manipulator", has no problem talking complete fabrications to the press and worries about his career more than anything.

Or in other words: A politician.

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Why do you then find it so hard to consider that this person, who is the leader of your country, but more importantly, it's military and clandestine forces, may really not care about civilian deaths, asymetrical warfare or collateral damage in a "conflict"? How about even just telling you the truth about what they are doing militarily?

I really don't wish to be dragged into a fruitless discussion again.
I already told you why Israel has a major interest in keeping civilians casualties to a minimum.

It's one thing to call Netanyahu a manipulative politician but he's not stupid, he doesn't really want to lead Israel into international isolation.

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From your previous responses, you act like the IDF has done no wrong and the gaza conflicts have all been kosher. But then hear you talk about your leader as a master manipulator and serial bullshitter - just doesn't make sense.

I am going to tell you again: everything about war is wrong and i'm not putting a moral stamp over anything.

I'm more interested on how things work,why do they work this way and how problems can be resolved.

I think it's a bit superficial to say: "Israel is killing way more Arabs than Arabs are killing Israelis - Israel must not give a shit about Arab lives and Netanyahu is Satan". It's like those people who say all Arabs are born evil, i just don't buy into that bullshit.

I believe this conflict will look the same under a different leader, i'm more worried about the cost of living.

Why do such brilliant minds disagree so much?

The problem is the obvious bias that Sam Harris has a jewish background, even though he isn't practicing judaism.

He says that although he doesn't support a jewish state, if there is anyone that should have a state based on religion, it's the jews. kind of paradoxical and ignorant coming from such a brilliant man.

i don't think the fact that Sam Harris has a Jewish background has any influence at all on his judgement. I think they disagree for different reasons. Im just not to sure what those reasons are

I just watched a brilliant interview by lawrence krauss with chomsky

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred pose a serious threat to Israel

That's about the greatest reason in the world to support it!

Anything that threatens Israhell should be welcomed with open arms.