In the UK, a CD single will cost about the same as some of the more regularly available music on vinyl. The stuff you usualy end up paying for is some of the harder to find music, that is assuming your source is honest with you.
I think the reason why I tend to favour vinyl is that it takes time before a lot of things appear on CD and in the DJ business being ahead of the game is everything. You can admittedly get around that with tunes being available on the net, I do however find that it even takes the net a little longer.

I'm not sure that I agree with you that CDJing is more fun, I think that all depends on what floats your boat.
Although I can see why a lot of Scandinavian DJs play CDs. When I played in Sweden I found that quite a few venues looked a little flustered when we turned up with vinyl. One even took the piss out of us for being backward, actually that gig turned into a bit of a nightmare fullstop (We new we were in trouble when some people came up and asked us if we could play local music and ballads. I think the Trance and Techno mix was a little too much for those poor souls who just wanted to hear the latest euro disco tracks and thought that DJ Sammy was on the egde).
Keeping that in mind the best gig we had was actually in the middle of the woods. A load of Psi trance and Goa heads had invited us to come and play. Was pretty crazy playing to the sunrise at about 2:30 in the morning (I also discovered a total hatred for mosquitos).

Hmmm... I seem to have gone of on a tangent there.

I think the conclusion to this thread would have to be that DJs are not the ones who should be making the decision on which is better. Ultimately it will always be those who (Excluding other DJs) see us in action who's opinion really matters. Did we rock them or not? If the answer to that question is yes... it doesn't really matter how you did it.

Cheers anyways
Nem

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Just thought some of us should see this.

Interview with DJ Tiesto.

DJ TIMES: Are you using CD's that much? I thoght you were more about the vinyl?


DJTIESTO: True, but after that CD player from Pionner, I started to use more CDs. It's easier to use more CD's becuase you can get stuff trough email from people and burn them on CD's. You get a lot send, which is cheaper than vinyl. So CD's are taking over a bit. And its 2002, so its about time that vinyl leaves. It's difficult thing for me to say, but the teachnology is developing. Its going to happen anyway sooner or later.

Turntables (sets of) are now outselling guitars across the globe.

Back in 2000 there was an estimated 40'000 bedroom DJs in England alone. The number has grown considerably since then.

Just out of interest DJDREO, did you cut and paste that or did you type it from the DJ times? (Just curious as to which issue it was, if you have the issue info it would be great. Would like to read the article).


Many thanks
Nem

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Wow thats amazing turntables doing better.WOW.

And yeah i typed that I got it from Issue of January 2003. Um if you wish maybe like in 3 weeks i can go over my friends house and scan it for you. The mag has Tiesto in the front cover so its pretty damn hard to miss that mag.

You know in like the old Western movies how the hero always has that kick ass special ability... How he can whoop the bad guys ass all over. Like in Quigly Down Under... he uses that bohemath of a rifle with 2 triggers to shoot people nearly a mile away. At the end of the movie, he's only left with a pistol in a draw.

He wins.

My point is, besides the fact that a Good DJ can adapt to ongoing technology, and still make a crowd cream, is that if you do use CD players to mix, if you run into a draw, make sure you can still use the ol' turntable like it was your old sidekick all along.

Dogmeat.

Ok, i just joined here, and im skipping about ten pages, so im sorry if some of this has been posted allready.

Vinyls

You can easily "scratch" with them, while its more expensive with cds.

They have a more sort of uniqueness to them and it makes you feel like you worked harder to get the vinyl then just download and burn an mp3.

Fer the love of Pete! They look cool!


CDs

Cheap to make.

Im not sure if this is true, but do they have a larger capacity?

They're more portable



Please note that they can also be used in conjunction with each other to really get the crowd going.

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No it wasn't...

Look at a guy like James Zabiela (uses cdjs), a fantastic dj. I believe the dj's creativity will always be more important than the equipment they're using

i'm a vinyl junkie myself, though if i had the cash i'd get a pair of cdj's as well

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Originally posted by nebbian Hi Physe! Good to see you're not letting the stereotypes get in the way of enjoying your music, and even better you're using a mac!! (I'm a proud iBook owner myself :-) ) OK to beatmatch on a CDJ system: Most of all, have fun

Excellent advice here! To take it further, I did two things, I purchased the Turntable techniques book to learn some early basic matching skills. It comes with two identical records and I spent hours practicing (at least one or two per night for several weeks) before it became easy to setup. I was totally disasterous when first learning and often wondered if I would ever master it but slowly it became easier. I ripped the vinyl to CD and MP3 and used those to build the EXACT SAME matching skillz manually _matching_ on both my Denon S5000 and on Traktor. While Traktor lets you match automatically and I often do, learning the pitch bending skills has been truly worthwhile as I can produce a FAR FAR better mix by having my ear better tuned for mismatch and I'm far better at manually syncing the two beats because of the time taken learning the basics.

Moreover its REALLY hard matching Pitch Between a Turntable a Denon S5000 and Traktor, the pitch controls are often positioned differently because of different scaling and its all done by ear, Its a _huge_ rush when you drop in to a mix and you get it all just perfect! My wife laughs her arse off seeing a fat little angry Kiwi barstid dancing round the Garage when I get it just right.

The second thing worth reading is the book How to DJ... Properly by Frank Broughton He and his co-author also authored last night a DJ saved my life and there's lots of good advice in this book as well. The rest is practice, practice, practice, dedication listen to lots of music work out how to fit it all together in you mind then go try to do it on the decks then go back and practice, practice, practice. Most of all have fun and don't let anyone burst your bubble! This is an artform!! Do it your way, regardless of others opinions!

VINYL of course.

Beat-matching is so much easier on vinyl. You don't have to take time spinning that scroll button to find where you're going to drop in your track. On vinyl, all you have to do is look on the grooves and you'll know pretty much where a track breaks down and where to drop the needle.

I think CDs are okay only for sampling sounds during a mix. I've done that before and had some crazy results (while spinning some chill-out hip-hop and adding some kung-fu sound effects).

Besides, if you're also getting into scratching, there's nothing more fresh than vinyl. Y'all vinyl-junkies can agree with that!

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the way to go is to use both. i use vinyl as my primary and cds to augment. *every* top jock uses both. i have a friend who spins cds mostly but also spins some vinyl. he has a good reason for this too. the tracks in the style he plays are rather slow, around 120-125 bpm but he likes to spin at about 135 and up. if he pitches all the songs up everything is all high pitched. so, he buys the vinyl, records it to his computer, runs it through wavelab's time compress to speed up the tracks and then burns them to cd. he still spins vinyl when the tracks are right but he spins mostly cds. know what? he just got a weekly residency at velvet in st. louis which was voted the #7 club in the u.s. not only that, his residency is on the "invite/vip only" night. so now what do all you cd bashers have to say? any of you have residencies/experience like that to back it up? if you think vinyl is the only true way to dj and you're too good to use cds then you're just being a close-minded and pretentious fuck. if you can't use both you're only limiting yourself. cheers mates.

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Originally posted by T:REBEL VINYL of course. Beat-matching is so much easier on vinyl. You don't have to take time spinning that scroll button to find where you're going to drop in your track. On vinyl, all you have to do is look on the grooves and you'll know pretty much where a track breaks down and where to drop the needle. I think CDs are okay only for sampling sounds during a mix. I've done that before and had some crazy results (while spinning some chill-out hip-hop and adding some kung-fu sound effects). Besides, if you're also getting into scratching, there's nothing more fresh than vinyl. Y'all vinyl-junkies can agree with that!

Interesting. My plan is to spin with cd's for one year first, then move on to final and be decent with both by year 2.

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Originally posted by roosh Interesting. My plan is to spin with cd's for one year first, then move on to final and be decent with both by year 2.

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Hey...I'm not trying to bash CD-DJs. I know some of them can mix and skratch better than some vinyl DJs out there. I can operate both, but will stick with vinyl. I think you love your music more if you buy it rather than DLin' songs off of KaZaa and whatever.

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You're going to get into FINAL SCRATCH? I've haven't played around with it, but it involves computers so it's not for me. Let me know how it goes. I first started spinning with CDs. But like I said, once you go vinyl, you won't go back spinnin' CDs.

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