Wow, Melech posting something pro-palestinian??? Will wonders never cease?

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Why not... I figured Cyrus needed the Help.

I'd just like to point out that innocent Arab-Palestinians are accidently being killed when terror groups hide amounst average citizens. If i was a civilian there, I'd DEMAND and start activism AGAINST the terror groups who are only making the situation worst for the Palestinian peoples, and the Israels. No politcal goals of theirs will be reached as long as we have Arafat, Hamas, Fatah, Islamic Jihad and all the other terror-monkeys playing their deadly games.

Their terror hurts everyone!

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i think someone has hacked into his account

the story is not completly true becuse there was at least 32 israelies that were killed in this "cease fire"

and about the 17 pal" getting killed during the hodna - i would like to see articles from decent places about it

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Originally posted by melech_mike I'd just like to point out that innocent Arab-Palestinians are accidently being killed when terror groups hide amounst average citizens. If i was a civilian there, I'd DEMAND and start activism AGAINST the terror groups who are only making the situation worst for the Palestinian peoples, and the Israels. No politcal goals of theirs will be reached as long as we have Arafat, Hamas, Fatah, Islamic Jihad and all the other terror-monkeys playing their deadly games.

Yeah, because you wouldn't be killed or anything if you protested the presene of terrorism in the Palestinian terrories...ok.

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 Yeah, because you wouldn't be killed or anything if you protested the presene of terrorism in the Palestinian terrories...ok.

Well then they need to make a plea to the world.. or even Israeli soilders! Have them come onto the world media to denouce the actions of terrorist groups. right now, they side with them... i consider many of them to be terrorists as well for the simple fact that they are marching with them on the streets!!

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Originally posted by melech_mike Well then they need to make a plea to the world.. or even Israeli soilders! Have them come onto the world media to denouce the actions of terrorist groups. right now, they side with them... i consider many of them to be terrorists as well for the simple fact that they are marching with them on the streets!!

Lots of people suppourt sharon, but you don't see me calling them old, fat, warmongering fools, do you? Don't be so quick to judge. Also, i'd expect someone like you not to generalize.

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 Lots of people suppourt sharon, but you don't see me calling them old, fat, warmongering fools, do you? Don't be so quick to judge. Also, i'd expect someone like you not to generalize.

You see hundreds of masked men with weapons in there hands. Bullets are blasting in the air; a loudspeaker chanting slogans of hate and encouragement of Murder of the Jews. If you’re walking in that crowd pumping your fist in the air to the music of semi-automatic guns, then in my eyes you’re a terrorist....or at least a supporter of it, which in me view is just as bad!

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Originally posted by melech_mike You see hundreds of masked men with weapons in there hands. Bullets are blasting in the air; a loudspeaker chanting slogans of hate and encouragement of Murder of the Jews. If you’re walking in that crowd pumping your fist in the air to the music of semi-automatic guns, then in my eyes you’re a terrorist....or at least a supporter of it, which in me view is just as bad!

i understand that, but just because they support the terrorists does not mean they are terrorists. You gotta remember this...lots of these Palestinians are uneducated and ignorant. To them, these terrorist groups seem to be the only salvation from the Israeli onslaught. To the general Palestinian public, these groups are the key to their freedom.
Now, there are still maaaany Palestinians that do not condone the use of terror. So like I said, it's wrong to generalize.

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 i understand that, but just because they support the terrorists does not mean they are terrorists. You gotta remember this...lots of these Palestinians are uneducated and ignorant. To them, these terrorist groups seem to be the only salvation from the Israeli onslaught. To the general Palestinian public, these groups are the key to their freedom. Now, there are still maaaany Palestinians that do not condone the use of terror. So like I said, it's wrong to generalize.

I disagree. I'm specifically saying those who rally with the terrorists are likewise just as bad. There are a shit load of Palestinians who don't jump in the hate parades put on by these monsterous groups.

If they are uneducated and ignorant, thats a different problem. It's an internal problem that lies within the PA. So b/c the PA sponsers the use of terror as a political tool towards achieving their political agenda's, then those who are just following in these terror footsteps are blind and should be overlooked as a threat?

THESE PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE SUPPORTING! THEY KNOW WHAT DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL AND THE JEW MEANS. PLEASE DONT TRY AND JUSTIFY SUPPORT FOR TERROR AS A LEGITIMATE ACTION. THE PA MUST STOP INCITING HATRED TOWARDS ISRAEL FOR ANY LASTING AND MEANINGFUL PEACE TO GO FORTH.

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CYCLE OF ARAFAT


Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas has resigned and Yassir Arafat has hastily nominated his close associate Ahmed Qurei (pronounced ku-RAY-uh) as Abbas' replacement.

How does this bode for the peace process? The situation may be summed up best by a pointed joke making the rounds of Palestinian politicians:

Mr. Arafat is riding in a car with Mr. Abbas, when he spots an obstacle. "Abu Mazen, there's a tree in the road!" Mr. Arafat cries, using Mr. Abbas's nickname. But the car continues on its way. Mr. Arafat's warnings grow more frantic.

Finally, the car hits the tree, and as the two Palestinian leaders stumble from the wreckage, battered and bruised, Mr. Arafat turns to Mr. Abbas and says, "Abu Mazen, I told you there was a tree."

Mr. Abbas replies, miserably, "But you were driving."

In covering Arafat's latest push for power, many media outlets are demonstrating an remarkable ignorance about what got us into this mess in the first place. As the London Daily Telegraph wrote in their Sept. 8 editorial: "In the West, our grasp of the Middle East is afflicted by a kind of amnesia. For some 30 years, Mr. Arafat's fingerprints have been found on each failed peace initiative."

Given the media's notoriously poor memory, let's review how we reached this juncture:

1) In the wake of the horrific 9/11 attacks, a consensus developed in the West that terrorism is a fundamental threat that must be eliminated to ensure the very survival of the free world. To that end, President Bush made the war on terror a cornerstone of American policy, and he has undertaken to lead this mission.

2) In an effort to solve the Israeli-Palestinian impasse, President Bush stated unequivocally in June 2002 that any advance of the peace process is predicated on "a new and different Palestinian leadership...not compromised by terror" ¯ an unmistakable call for the replacement of Yassir Arafat.

President Bush's objection to Arafat went beyond the decades of plane hijackings, schoolyard shootings and Munich murders. Rather, it was the promise that Arafat undertook in 1993 to foreswear the methodology of violence and terror. (This week marks the 10th anniversary.) Seven years later, Arafat proved incorrigible, unable to grasp the truly historic opportunity to embrace peace and leave the terror behind.

As the Americans recognized, nobody could afford to go down Arafat Lane again ¯ not Palestinian citizens who are suffering socially and economically, not Israelis who are under daily siege, and not the West in its effort to uproot terror. For the sake of peace, Yassir Arafat had to be sidelined.

3) Release of the U.S.-backed road map was therefore delayed until a new Palestinian leader emerged. In April 2003, within hours of Mahmoud Abbas' assuming the post as Palestinian prime minister, the official road map was released and diplomatic progress began.

4) It soon became painfully clear that Abbas was not in fact the Palestinian leader, but rather subordinate to Arafat. As Palestinian spokesman Saeb Erekat stated in May: "There is no one who is more loyal to Arafat than Abu Mazen and no one who is more loyal to Abu Mazen than Arafat."

Or as Abbas himself said on July 26, when asked by Newsweek if Arafat has to approve the prime minister's actions: "All the actions, all the actions. He is the leader of the Palestinian people."

Arafat's ongoing reign contradicted the sole prerequisite to the new peace initiative (see point 2 above).

5) Arafat's power grip became most evident in recent weeks when Abbas, in an effort to implement the road map, asserted more authority than Arafat was willing to allow. Arafat undermined Abbas, and Abbas was given no choice but to announce his resignation, decrying his Palestinian opponents for their (in his words) "harsh and dangerous" incitement.

This left Arafat as the lone Palestinian leader, and we're right back where we started. It's a veritable "cycle of Arafat."

A number of news agencies recognized that Arafat's appointment of Qurei ¯ a high-ranking official in Arafat's own Fatah faction ¯ is another step backward for the peace process. As stated bluntly in the Chicago Tribune, "If Palestinian leaders cling to the notion that they can send out a conciliatory face as prime minister while providing safe harbor for terrorists such as Hamas and Islamic Jihad, then Qureia will fail, too...It was a good weekend for Yasser Arafat, and a disaster for the Palestinian people."

Or, in the words of the editorial desk of Denver's Rocky Mountain News: "In the long run, friends of peace can only hope that the Palestinians outgrow their affection for the man who once again, through his sabotage of Abbas' leadership, has dashed the hopes of permanent peace."

Yet some news outlets followed the lead of Reuters, who reported (editorialized, actually, with no attribution) that Israel's attempt to completely sideline Arafat is actually to blame, for it "added to the sense that a battered U.S.-led peace plan may now be beyond rescue."

Reuters goes on to paint Qurei glowingly: "His credentials as a highly regarded moderate and an architect of the 1993 interim Oslo peace accords with Israel could endear him to the United States and help salvage a U.S.-led peace plan."

Taken together, Reuters' strange editorial line becomes clear: Arafat and his hand-picked associate Qurei are the ones capable of "salvaging" the road map ¯ a peace plan preconditioned on the removal of Arafat from power and influence.

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And while Arafat's political machinations and ongoing support of terror has tied the peace process in knots, Pat Oliphant ¯ the most widely syndicated political cartoonist in the world ¯ would have us believe that Israel's been doing the tying. Oliphant's August 26 cartoon shows Uncle Sam doomed to failure in his peace effort, due to Israeli targeted strikes (the soldier's newspaper is headlined "Hamas Leader Killed").

Amazingly, Israeli's insistence on one of the road map's primary points ¯ "confronting all those engaged in terror and dismantlement of terrorist capabilities and infrastructure" ¯ is portrayed by Oliphant as actually ruining the road map!

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