The both of you should not consider these very high ranking people in the same low ranking circle which both of you preside in.

Troll land.

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Originally posted by culorut The both of you should not consider these very high ranking people in the same low ranking circle which both of you preside in. Troll land.

No, its just that griffin has been preaching to tiny crowds the world over, with a bunch of "heavyweights" that mean nothing. He's achieving nothing. So forgive us for having a chuckle and shake of the head at you promoting events that nobody cares about, almost nobody goes to, which hasn't a single scientific study that anyone takes seriously.

the movement is merely treading water. if that's what you enjoy, then fine. but dont expect anything to come out of it. really.

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Yes "tiny" crowds of hundreds of people which are composed of doctors, scientists, lawyers, engineers, military personnel and high ranking politicians from every corner of the globe. Multiply this by a few hundred of conferences a year over the last 5-6 years and it is not hard to see why the odds have turned.

It did start small but has led to millions of people internationally speaking up against the official story including Italy's former president.

Oddly enough no one for the official story has been able to gather the same amount of attention from various intellects from around the world since the bullshit 9/11 commission.

To say this something has not come very far is grasping at the same lies the official 9/11 story is built upon and for the matter is quite the opposite of the distorted reality.

show me a single event which had "hundreds" of people attending. and your "experts" are anything but! i read the studies by these so-called experts and they're full of lies and fallacies. if a layman like myself can tell its bullshit i struggle to see how they can be called "experts". FYI your movement still does not have a SINGLE structural engineer! that's just too funny.

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Originally posted by culorut Oddly enough no one for the official story has been able to gather the same amount of attention from various intellects from around the world since the bullshit 9/11 commission.

we dont need to "grab attention" from anyone, the onus is on you and the troofers if you hadnt noticed. we have all the peer-reviewed and scientifically-validated studies and the general consensus. if you really think the "movement" enjoys popular support you really are kidding yourself.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN show me a single event which had "hundreds" of people attending. and your "experts" are anything but! i read the studies by these so-called experts and they're full of lies and fallacies. if a layman like myself can tell its bullshit i struggle to see how they can be called "experts". FYI your movement still does not have a SINGLE structural engineer! that's just too funny. we dont need to "grab attention" from anyone, the onus is on you and the troofers if you hadnt noticed. we have all the peer-reviewed and scientifically-validated studies and the general consensus. if you really think the "movement" enjoys popular support you really are kidding yourself.

Those are some rather interesting comments coming from a person with zero scientific backround. Can you even solve a simple calculus problem? Or mechanics? Or prove a simple number theory proof, like the square root of two is irrational? How about an elementary sentential calculus proof? I can see some basis for arrogance when a person actually knows what he's talking about. Juvenile derision akin to something you'd expect from a high school school bully is a pretty sad response. Feel free to loose your mind and repond with a pathetic ad hominem, and demonstrate your arrogance, not to mention validate what I just said .

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Can you even solve a simple calculus problem?

i could in year 12. not sure about now!

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Or mechanics? Or prove a simple number theory proof, like the square root of two is irrational?

unlikely.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I can see some basis for arrogance when a person actually knows what he's talking about.

what arrogance?

this is my exact point; im not an expert and even i can see that a lot of the arguments made by (amongst others) griffin are absolute nonsense.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Juvenile derision akin to something you'd expect from a high school school bully is a pretty sad response. Feel free to loose your mind and repond with a pathetic ad hominem, and demonstrate your arrogance, not to mention validate what I just said .

dont blame me for your sincere lack of reading comprehension, and actually helping me add to my point of just how intellectually unsound the troof movement is.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i could in year 12. not sure about now!

LOL, school is great isn't it? It's so easy to forget what you learned .

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN unlikely. what arrogance? this is my exact point; im not an expert and even i can see that a lot of the arguments made by (amongst others) griffin are absolute nonsense.

That's exactly my point, stop pretending you can actually critically evaluate so called expert analysis. A guy like colonelcrip can actually argue these matters to an extent, and offer original input.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN dont blame me for your sincere lack of reading comprehension,

LOL, I'm going to have to throw that back at you.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN and actually helping me add to my point of just how intellectually unsound the troof movement is.

You don't need to state the obvious to me . Having said that, it's certainly less disingenous than "anti-troof" movement for lack of a better term. Don't lump me with the "troof" movement though, I have several disagreements with "troofers," both intellectually and ethically.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z LOL, school is great isn't it? It's so easy to forget what you learned .

yeah, its bloody ridiculous! all the basic maths stuff is still there, but some of the more exotic stuff i would REALLY struggle with nowadays!

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z That's exactly my point, stop pretending you can actually critically evaluate so called expert analysis. A guy like colonelcrip can actually argue these matters to an extent, and offer original input.

but that's my point - the analysis ISNT (for the most part) steep, scientific enquiry. im not saying i have a handle on the big nasty equations, just some of the assumptions that these people are making (ie many are repeating known fallacies that were shown to be so YEARS ago). i have never, and will never, pretend to be an expert in the sciences surrounding 911, but i will call bullshit on stuff that i know just isnt true.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Don't lump me with the "troof" movement though, I have several disagreements with "troofers," both intellectually and ethically.

which is why i like you

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN well, at least this post is 100x more important and compelling than some disingeuous non-sequitur that has been explained a billion times, like trancer-x idiotic gif ^^ i mean, how retarded do you have to be to post nonsense like that? though really shaolin, i cant see israel planning an attack on their only ally in the whole world

The US isn't exactly an ally of Israel. The US is Israel's whore. Unfortunately, a prostitute being abused and brutalized is not an uncommon phenomenon.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN yeah, its bloody ridiculous! all the basic maths stuff is still there, but some of the more exotic stuff i would REALLY struggle with nowadays!

I've completely forgotton Diff EQ .

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN just some of the assumptions that these people are making (ie many are repeating known fallacies that were shown to be so YEARS ago). i have never, and will never, pretend to be an expert in the sciences surrounding 911, but i will call bullshit on stuff that i know just isnt true.

Same here, but my approach is "non-partisan" in this issue . Fuck, does that make me a centrist too!

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN which is why i like you

I think you'll like me more now that I'm finally revealing that I'm COINTELPRO working for MOSSAD ...that damn Zionist inflitrator did a number of me indeed!


...pardon my silly sense of humor .

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

here's a great photo i hadn't seen before, which illustrates why the towers fell as they did.

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