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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN unlike cretinrot who lets alex jones do his thinking for him (im serious too, cretinrot pastes anything from prisonplanet, corroborated or not).

PKC, you should check out the link I posted. It's not about Truther theories, but real documented relationships between powerful political families. It apparently turns out that the Saudis, America's so-called "friends", are a fully fledged state sponsor of terror, even worse so than Iran...

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Originally posted by Krypton PKC, you should check out the link I posted. It's not about Truther theories, but real documented relationships between powerful political families. It apparently turns out that the Saudis, America's so-called "friends", are a fully fledged state sponsor of terror, even worse so than Iran...

saudi arabia is a disgusting country and few people need to be told this. as for the business relationships between the US and saudi, i can't say i care all that much, asides from such relationships meaning they rarely get the criticism they deserve.

but, the bush family's relationship(s) with the bin laden family are irrelevant to the questions regarding 911. unless of course we're saying bush personally crept up the WTCs and planted the bombs there himself after a phone call from osama.

Im at work and don’t have time to check the video, sorry.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN

Sweet, I've been in that room before.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 that source is hardly proof! some of you people are too easily persuaded by opinions (which are almost always based on suspect evidenc) and stories from questionable "news" sources. furthermore, while i didn't read the entire post, i did read the part about one of the hijackers having tickets to go elsewhere. what exactly does that prove besides that he was covering his tracks?

How is it hardly proof? Because it's not mainstream media? Funny how you say that "we" are so easily persuaded by opinions. What do you propose? That we think for ourselves and believe the official story? Because that would be the epitome of "free thought", right??

Anyways, you should read the whole article. They talk about who the terrorists contact was, even though the official story states that they had no contact; that they met Bayoumi by chance across from his restaurant. This article, and FBI documents that were recently released contradict that statement. They even have a link to the documents.

Here, I'll even pick out the most important part which is just at the end of page 1:

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“In the official version of the story now, the hijackers drift around L.A. listlessly for two weeks before chancing to come across Bayoumi in a restaurant [according to Bayoumi’s account],” Thompson added. “Whereupon he's an incredible good Samaritan and takes them down to San Diego, pays their rent, etc.” ”But from the FBI's timeline, we now know the hijackers started staying at Bayoumi's place on Jan. 15 – the very same day they arrived,” Thompson says. “So obviously they must have been met at the airport and taken care of from their very first hours in the US. That's huge because the FBI maintains to this day that the hijackers never had any accomplices in the US.”

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH How is it hardly proof? Because it's not mainstream media? Funny how you say that "we" are so easily persuaded by opinions. What do you propose? That we think for ourselves and believe the official story? Because that would be the epitome of "free thought", right?? Anyways, you should read the whole article. They talk about who the terrorists contact was, even though the official story states that they had no contact; that they met Bayoumi by chance across from his restaurant. This article, and FBI documents that were recently released contradict that statement. They even have a link to the documents. Here, I'll even pick out the most important part which is just at the end of page 1:

i think i speak for the rest of the reasoned, rational people when i say "who fucking cares?"

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN saudi arabia is a disgusting country and few people need to be told this. as for the business relationships between the US and saudi, i can't say i care all that much, asides from such relationships meaning they rarely get the criticism they deserve. but, the bush family's relationship(s) with the bin laden family are irrelevant to the questions regarding 911. unless of course we're saying bush personally crept up the WTCs and planted the bombs there himself after a phone call from osama. Im at work and don’t have time to check the video, sorry.

Check it out m8

I'm not one to believe in the planted bombs or missile hit the pentagon theory. I am suspect though of the relationship between the bush family and bin laden family. And to think the bin laden family disowned osama bin laden, that is BS. I think something is up.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i think i speak for the rest of the reasoned, rational people when i say "who fucking cares?"

There's nothing reasonable or rational about accepting a weak hypotheis that has the least scientific probablity (i.e. next to implausible), having a pro establishment attitude, and disingenuos allegation of intellectual dishonesty against individuals come from an academic tradition of logic and a scientific background... or selectively dismissing evidence, scientific anomolies, and stumping on actual arguments you can't find a copy paste source for. There's also nothing reasonable or rational about putting faith in the corperate world (I'm not referring to the mainstream media, but 'engineering associations' for lack of a better term) to produce an analysis unhindered by political concerns of the "top elite" elements of the state or establishment.

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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z There's nothing reasonable or rational about accepting a weak hypotheis that has the least scientific probablity (i.e. next to implausible),

youre fucking kidding me right? the "least scientific probability" - you know, because its far more likely that thermite, a fucking incindiary ffs brought down one of the biggest buildings in the world, despite the massive logistical nightmare. its far more "probable" that flight 77 disappeared than it is to have crashed into the pentagon. its far more likely that the evil government brought down WTC7 for shits and giggles because blackops just love to increase the chance of being discovered as much as possible.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z having a pro establishment attitude, and disingenuos allegation of intellectual dishonesty against individuals come from an academic tradition of logic and a scientific background...

oh, sorry. i forgot. having a "scientific background" makes up for their obvious dishonesty not to mention their failure to have their bullshit theories tested by peer review which is a staple in getting credibility.

what would you call those that continuously repeat known fallacies that have been explained over and over and over? if someone knowingly presents facts that are lies and distortions, would you not call them intellectually dishonest?

id like to know why you support those that repeatedly repeat such fallacies whilst simultaneously avoiding a proper scientific examination of their work?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z or selectively dismissing evidence, scientific anomolies,

yeah, only fools like you see anomalies, if they really existed then we would have a nice peer-reviewed analysis which explained these anomalies now wouldnt we?

what's even more ridiculous is that the controlled demolition hypothesis doesn't actually explain any of these supposed anomalies in the first place, despite your ilk's belief that they are the panacea for everything.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z and stumping on actual arguments you can't find a copy paste source for.

oh please. trancer and cretinrot have copy-pasted x10 compared to me, the difference being that at least ive fucking read the opposing viewpoints and arguments.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z There's also nothing reasonable or rational about putting faith in the corperate world (I'm not referring to the mainstream media, but 'engineering associations' for lack of a better term) to produce an analysis unhindered by political concerns of the "top elite" elements of the state or establishment.

there's nothing reasonable or rational in kowtowing before the fantastic with no evidence asides from a juvenile conspiracy mindset to support such positions. Yeah, the entire global engineering community is merely a puppet of the new world order. Seriously dude, grow up.

the nonsense that you guys let through your logic senses on a daily basis whilst thumbing your nose at real peer reviewed analysis is fucking ridiculous and i am at a loss for you to explain such an asymmetrical level of scepticism.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i think i speak for the rest of the reasoned, rational people when i say "who fucking cares?"

You're not speaking for the reasoned and rational people.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH You're not speaking for the reasoned and rational people.

of course i am. you know, the reasoned and rational people that arent still wasting their time trying to find anomalies regarding 9/11 and then posting the next bit of irrelevant nonsense like it’s the new smoking gun, completely failing to see how stupid they are.

And im still waiting for one of you no-planers to tell us what really happened to flight 77.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN unlike cretinrot who lets alex jones do his thinking for him (im serious too, cretinrot pastes anything from prisonplanet, corroborated or not).

Really cause I could swear I was posting from multiple sources, besides I never really was to found of Alex Jones because of his loud mouth approach.

Does not change the fact that the official story is a bunch of sh1t however.