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xKaoSx
I need more cow bell !!



Registered: Jul 2002
Location: San Diego, Ca.

quote:
Originally posted by Project T
128k is fine if you record + encode it with quality tools


I record with Soundforge and save in whatever i want


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Old Post Jun-25-2003 20:11  United States
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Dj Flesch
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Registered: Aug 2001
Location: Indianapolis, USA

Kaos and Luke PT Cruiser etc. I was the one who said that I would judge your two mixes. First off, are you both done, and second, when does your challenge expire? Do you still want me to do it, if so I can finish it by tomorrow evening.


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Old Post Jun-25-2003 22:47  United States
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xKaoSx
I need more cow bell !!



Registered: Jul 2002
Location: San Diego, Ca.

quote:
Originally posted by Dj Flesch
Kaos and Luke PT Cruiser etc. I was the one who said that I would judge your two mixes. First off, are you both done, and second, when does your challenge expire? Do you still want me to do it, if so I can finish it by tomorrow evening.


The mixes are already in JohnSmiths folder for judging since you couldnt be arsed to reply to any posts.
I was challenged by another already sheesh- im gonna be like 0-4
LOL

NOT


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Dj Flesch
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Registered: Aug 2001
Location: Indianapolis, USA

okay, then I'll start dling them, since by John's posts, he can't. I'll try to have a quick turn around for you, but tonight at least will be dedicated partly to wedding planning! I'll do my very best to be finished by tomorrow evening--at least before midnight anyway!


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Old Post Jun-25-2003 22:59  United States
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Dj Flesch
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Registered: Aug 2001
Location: Indianapolis, USA

Also, are we going to have a rule about if it has to be a no-practice set, versus you can have x number of practices etc? Or are we going to leave that one up to the challengers? I personally think that it should be 0 practices, as John and I did.

This way we can also eliminate people trying to wait till the last minute to submit their mixes. We have to think of the judges' time too!


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Old Post Jun-25-2003 23:02  United States
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xKaoSx
I need more cow bell !!



Registered: Jul 2002
Location: San Diego, Ca.

quote:
Originally posted by Dj Flesch
okay, then I'll start dling them, since by John's posts, he can't. I'll try to have a quick turn around for you, but tonight at least will be dedicated partly to wedding planning! I'll do my very best to be finished by tomorrow evening--at least before midnight anyway!

Last I read I thought we was able to get through and he was downloading em. hrm .
well- unless PT says no- just do it anyways. lol

we'll have 2 challenges different judges.
This is all going to be screwy until we get it all sorted.


Well- if we get 2 judges decisions we'll either split or each get 2-0's
lol
OUCH
I dont mind 2 judges judging out sets and 2 different opinions.

PT?

Just post in Here which set you think won- We both know which one is which.


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fitom tiel
spectacular



Registered: Apr 2003
Location: down in it

i'm willing to judge any match,
as long as you're able to set up a server at 24kbps :\

or at least stream at that rate.



btw, Nrg2Nfinit and TommyD had a challenge today.
i judged; it was live.

congrats to Nrg, although Tommy only had one minor detail against him.


TL:

Nrg2Nfinit

the roc project - never (Filterheadz dub)
dumonde tomorrow (jam x and deleon mix)
apoptygma berzerk kathy's song (green court remix)
frank e and mars l - song of the holy man
cygnus x - superstring (rank 1 remix)
foggy - come into my dream
andora - mental atmosphere
nexus -return from flatliner
dirt devils - the drill evac mix


TommyD

solid globe - north pole
jan johnston - calling your name (neo and farina mix)
kansai - roccoco
kotai - waiting
insigma - open your eyes (unreleased mix)
pulser - cloudwalking (beatpushers remix)
pulser - cloudwalking (astral remix)


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wtf Ygrene is energy backwards


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Old Post Jun-25-2003 23:46 
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JohnSmith
Agent Smith



Registered: Apr 2002
Location: Kamloops

Sorry Guys, i am gonna have to drop out.

I simply don't have the time to do this right now. Also, after hearing other peoples mixes, then listening to my own again, i realize how ridiculously outmatched i am. I still need more practice, and i don't perform well under pressure. I considered redoing my mix, but that would be pretty hypocritcal considering i insisted no retakes.

so, i will report my loss to flesch (i listened to your mix it's very good!) and then i will have to resign from the ladder.

as for my judging duties, I listened to both of the mixes today (i can download just not very much because i am not really supposed to at work) and they were both very good. I could hardly judge the mixing cuz i could hardly tell where the mixes were!

i will have a decision and post it here soon, when is the deadline for that one? not even sure who i am judging it was in the the Judge_JohnSmith folder.


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Dj Flesch
Supreme tranceaddict



Registered: Aug 2001
Location: Indianapolis, USA
Kaos versus Project T

Okay, here are my results for this challenge. I don't know how you want to handle both me and John judging it, so I'll leave that up to you two! I would like to know which person mixed which mix though Both of you did a great job!

Here are my judging criteria:

4pts Intro Track
10pts Consistent Beatmatching
10pts Consistent Phrasematching
10pts Track Key Matching, Volume Matching and Gain Structure
10pts Track Selection
10pts Mixing Style/Originality
5pts Sound Quality
3pts Effects
5pts Track Order
3pts Exit Track


You start with 100% and I take off points for imperfections. This means that if your mix is considerably longer than your opponent's, you have more of a chance of getting points taken off! This means stick to the same time limit that you and your opponent agree on. It's not really far to judge two mixes that are incredibly different in time. I tend to nit-pick when I judge, so don't be offended when I do so. I critique the mixes so that you can hopefully learn from that critique and if I say everything was pretty good, then that doesn't help you learn how to become better. I listen to trance all day long almost everyday, so if I hear those same tracks over and over again in your mixes, down goes the points for Originality. I want to hear good tracks that I've never heard before and mixes of good tracks that aren’t played all day long! BUT, this doesn’t mean that I will dock points for mixes that have a lot of popular tracks, as long as the set flows very well and is arranged well also.

It is possible to get more points than are listed for each category if you are quite exceptional in any one of them. You have a better chance of getting points over 100% in the lower point cats like effects and intro/exit tracks rather than beatmatching etc. I try to judge the sets on how they would hold up in a club setting, because that is what I think most of us are striving for. This doesn’t mean that a headlining set will always beat out a warm-up set either. I will try to remain unbiased between the two types of sets and also of sets of different genres, but my own personal tastes will always seep into my judging!



Kaos vs. Project T:

Mix 1

3/4pts Intro Track

Decent track, but takes a while to get into the swing of things.

10/10pts Consistent Beatmatching

I wasn't using my headphones, but it seemed right on to me!

10/10pts Consistent Phrasematching

I wasn't counting beats in each transition, but again, it seemed right on to me.

7/10pts Track Key Matching, Volume Matching and Gain Structure

The tracks got consistently louder during the set, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it started to distort and clip on Southern Sun. The keys were all good and the volume matching could be improved on some of the transitions--especially the louder/fuller basslines. Equing was good.

7/10pts Track Selection

It's good to hear a bunch of decent tracks that I haven't heard before, but most of them were only decent. The ending kicked it up quite a bit and overall it makes a very good warm-up set.

7/10pts Mixing Style/Originality

I think that you played out too much of the tracks and could have put more tracks in the time that your set took. Since the BPM and the energy of the set was on the low side, I think that it is good to make the tracks shorter so the crowd doesn't become bored with slow AND long tracks. This way the tracks are still good warm-up tracks, but you can get more people dancing because the perceived energy is higher, while not too high to destroy the energy of the headliner.

3/5pts Sound Quality

Distortion and Clipping on Southern Sun. Several spots that had pops and crackles during quiet points.

2/3pts Effects

I picked up some teasers and a very nicely timed backspin.

4/5pts Track Order

3/3pts Exit Track

Although it doesn’t give the dj after you too much to mix out of—it sounded like you mixed in a 1 min track at the very end, it is an appropriate way to end a mix.

Total pts = 56/70 = 80%


Mix 2

2/4pts Intro Track

I like this track, but it starts off with a typical bass beat beginning (aside from the first few seconds and takes a while to get to the point. I liked it because even though it was a simple track, it wasn't boring and it has a good amount of energy (compared to the rest of your set) to draw people in, but it did take a very long time to get really interesting.

8/10pts Consistent Beatmatching

Beatmatching was off during three or four of the transition. It wasn’t horrible, but you did much better during some transition over others.

10/10 + 1pts Consistent Phrasematching

The tracks are consistently phrase matched as far as I can tell—without counting beats. A few of the transition don’t carry through with a bass beat, and often times this is harder to do than if it does, kudos to you. Even if there was a drop off in bass built into the track at the point when you mixed in, you did a good job timing the cross over because I didn’t hear a drop in bass volume at all. Because you had a couple of these transitions and the other set didn’t, I shall give one bonus point.

7/10pts Track Key Matching, Volume Matching and Gain Structure

The volume got a bit loud during the first track and the volumes during a couple of the transitions could have been better. One of the last transitions had poor volume matching compared to the rest of the mixes. The bass volume dropped off considerable during the transition.

6/10pts Track Selection

As in Mix1, this is a good warm-up set, and it is easier to compare these two sets as such. I think that the bass beat drops off considerably more in this mix though, and due to that deserves fewer points. You build up the energy a small amount better, but the drop off in bass detracts from that. Also, you built up the energy to about the middle, and then it slide downward for the next 10 minutes or so and it was held there until the end. It never really picked up.

7/10pts Mixing Style/Originality

There were a few points which the bass beat in the track was eliminated for semi-extended periods of time. After starting with a decently upbeat track, you lost some of the energy by playing tracks that had these “bass gaps”, if you will. As I commented in the first mix, I think that you did a relatively good job with keeping the track time down and mixing in a good amount of tracks, or at least I feel that it is a better job than mix1.

4/5pts Sound Quality

In general the sound quality was very good. I think that there were a couple of times that the tracks started to distort and clip, it wasn’t incredibly noticeable.

1/3pts Effects

I think that there was a filter-like effect around 46mins, and it didn’t seem to be in phrase to the track. Other than that, I didn’t hear any effects.

3/5pts Track Order

Because of the track energy fluctuations and the lack of buildup at the end, I think that the track ordering could have been slightly better.

2/3pts Exit Track

The mix fades off into the distance. I have heard better tracks, but this track is a good ending to a warm-up set because it leaves the Dj after you a number of options.

Total pts = 51/70 = 73%

Given that mix 1 has more points, I declare that the Dj of Mix1 to be the winner. I feel that this mix was better overall based upon the criteria that I have stated above.


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Old Post Jun-26-2003 03:12  United States
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xKaoSx
I need more cow bell !!



Registered: Jul 2002
Location: San Diego, Ca.
Re: Kaos versus Project T

quote:
Originally posted by Dj Flesch
Okay, here are my results for this challenge. I don't know how you want to handle both me and John judging it, so I'll leave that up to you two! I would like to know which person mixed which mix though Both of you did a great job!

Here are my judging criteria:

4pts Intro Track
10pts Consistent Beatmatching
10pts Consistent Phrasematching
10pts Track Key Matching, Volume Matching and Gain Structure
10pts Track Selection
10pts Mixing Style/Originality
5pts Sound Quality
3pts Effects
5pts Track Order
3pts Exit Track


Now thats some judging!

Nice job Flesch. That kind of input would draw people to want to compete.

I was mix #2 btw.

All the stuff you complimented are things im working on and i didnt concentrate on basics. LOL

ALAS- THANKS!

0-2 baby! WOOO
I rock.


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fitom tiel
spectacular



Registered: Apr 2003
Location: down in it

quote:
Originally posted by Dj Flesch
Here are my judging criteria:

4pts Intro Track
10pts Consistent Beatmatching
10pts Consistent Phrasematching
10pts Track Key Matching, Volume Matching and Gain Structure
10pts Track Selection
10pts Mixing Style/Originality
5pts Sound Quality
3pts Effects
5pts Track Order
3pts Exit Track


i like your criteria

perhaps, though
you should change 'effects' to 'creativity' and give it more points
also,
'sound quality' should be taken into consideration, when it comes to crackling and skipping;
however,
stick to 'any medium is accepted' when it comes to the actual quality of the recording/stream. you would leave some of us in disadvantage if you counted a 56k upload against us, going vs., i.e., 192kpbs.




on a more general note,
i think submitting tracklistings for each challenge might be a good idea. it gives us some perspective into the mixes.


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wtf Ygrene is energy backwards


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Nik Novo
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Registered: Apr 2003
Location: Munich, Germany

quote:
Originally posted by emono
'sound quality' should be taken into consideration, when it comes to crackling and skipping;


I think this should NOT be considered when judging, as you mostly can't control this. Judging this one, would be unfair.

btw. who of you challenged me?


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