ok got it ... those 5A or 7A are just keycodes that the camelot system is using


so i was playing the track Pulser - My religion .. it was a Cm(5A)
i was just pressing the Cm key on the keyboard using the ctk 230 ... but it sounds weird ... either that or i am doing it wrong. am i doing the right thing?


the ctk230 has 49 keys ... do you need to use all the keys to find the key of a track?

pls help.

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the sound picture is probably the root note. after you have found your first root note suspect, play the sub dominant and dominant keys (5 or 7 half-steps up or down). for example, if you have found that the root note is C, try playing F and G. do they sound more right? if you are certain that you have found the root note, play a major or minor chord. listen to the mood of the song, which blends in best?


.... what do they mean by 5 or 7half steps... why is it necessary to do it? ... eg : Pulse - My Religion - Cm (5A) Is it necessary to press the 5th or 7th half steps from the Cm ???.

man this is so confusing ... djprince site, mixshare site, camelot systems, chromatic system, ohhhhhh......... uhhh

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Originally posted by raveanddie ok got it ... those 5A or 7A are just keycodes that the camelot system is using so i was playing the track Pulser - My religion .. it was a Cm(5A) i was just pressing the Cm key on the keyboard using the ctk 230 ... but it sounds weird ... either that or i am doing it wrong. am i doing the right thing? the ctk230 has 49 keys ... do you need to use all the keys to find the key of a track? pls help.

Pulser - my religion is 2A.

Not sure how you are doing it but just try and find the root note first i.e. the one that seems to go with everything. Then play the chords after.

No you don't need to use all the keys to find the key of a track. Just 12 of them. You just need to find the not that matches with in the octave. The C5 area is always a safe bet.

Don't worry about all the 5ths and stuff like that. While it's good to know you don't need to know it. All you need to learn is to play 12 major chords and 12 minor. That's all plain and simple. You don't need to know any terminology the only thing you need to know is which root note you are playing and if it's a major or minor chord. And the camelot method.

Just list your questions and I will answer them to the best of my ability.
Cheers
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Hi nemesis,

thank you for your reply.

sorry, its my mistake .... its actually 2A ...

Questions

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No you don't need to use all the keys to find the key of a track. Just 12 of them. You just need to find the not that matches with in the octave. The C5 area is always a safe bet

1. The C5 area? What do you mean of the C5 area?
2. Lets say for example i am using the ctk230link . Which key should i press to get the correct key for Pulser - My religion? D#m (2A) .. D#m means D minor right? But i cannot find the minor. The D seems to be the major scale. 2nd major key from the left.
3. Not sure if this is right. Out of 12 keys only 10 keys have a minor and major except the key D and G which only has major.
4. Does the camelot system like 2A,3A,4A,5A,6A,etc have any use other then using a chart to see if the tracks fits right? I mean, its quite simple right, if you are playing on a Em scale, just keep playing with tracks that have a Em scale and all will be well, dont need a chart to display right?

Please do reply nemesis, and forgive me for being an utterfool in asking these types of kiddies question. i am really new and i am sure with your guidance it will help a lot of people understand better.

Elliot

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Originally posted by raveanddie Hi nemesis, thank you for your reply. sorry, its my mistake .... its actually 2A ... Questions 1. The C5 area? What do you mean of the C5 area? 2. Lets say for example i am using the ctk230link . Which key should i press to get the correct key for Pulser - My religion? D#m (2A) .. D#m means D minor right? But i cannot find the minor. The D seems to be the major scale. 2nd major key from the left. 3. Not sure if this is right. Out of 12 keys only 10 keys have a minor and major except the key D and G which only has major. 4. Does the camelot system like 2A,3A,4A,5A,6A,etc have any use other then using a chart to see if the tracks fits right? I mean, its quite simple right, if you are playing on a Em scale, just keep playing with tracks that have a Em scale and all will be well, dont need a chart to display right? Please do reply nemesis, and forgive me for being an utterfool in asking these types of kiddies question. i am really new and i am sure with your guidance it will help a lot of people understand better. Elliot

Hey Elliot,

Right let's see the easiest way of breaking this down. First up ignore everything to do with scales and let's focus on the core elements you need to know.

What is C5, okay let's put it another way. Find a C note in the middle of your keyboard. The reason why I say to work around that area is that the sounds or not too deep or too high to become tricky to work with. (For example the deeper a sound gets the harder it becomes to distiguish what sound/key it is etc...)

1. Finding the root note.
Just play one key. Find the one that seems to go with everything no matter when you press it. It will in theory fit with the whole song no matter what is going on in it. This will be your root note.

2. Now learn to play a major or Minor chord.
Go here for the chords!
Just so you know, use the table on the left only. The other side gives you scales and stuff, which you may want to look at later but don't do it now. Also, while the table calls Major - Major, it refers to Minor as just "m".
Just learn the major and minor chords for each note.

3. What to do with the root note.
When you have found the root note, just play the major for that note and see if this works with the song. And then try the minor to see if it sounds better or worse than the major. The one that sounds better will be the one that is the key of the track.

Just stick to this for the time being and forget about scales. Whilst some threads have posted that if you know this you will be some sort of uber DJ, the truth is that it just makes something more complicated than it needs to be.

Here are some mixes for you to try.
If you drop on the camelot scale say from 5a to 4a then you get a nice lift. If you drop three steps say from 6a to 3a then you get a bigger lift but still mix melodically correct.
Try a jump from 4a to 8a and you will be mixing so that you actually create a harmony.

Remember, mixing is not just using harmonic skills it's also about intelligent placement of the new track.

You will also find beatmatching easier when using harmonic mixing as you have less musical interferance to distract you.

Best of luck and give us a shout if you need it.

Cheers
Nem

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hi nemesis,

i think im almost getting it ... just sometimes i am just off by one key ... either a major or minor ....

im trying to sort my ear out. using the major and minor of the adjacent scale (4th key or the 7th key) is sometimes confusing me.

im gonna try with some track and post it here to see i am correct.

hi nemesis

im a bit tad confused

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Dm (7A) Mauro Picotto - Back to Cali (Push Remix) Dm (7A) Stimulant DJs - Legitimate Sounds (Paul Maddox Remix) D#m (2A) Delusion - Like this D#m (2A) Todd Tobias - Brave New World (K90 Mix)

It seems to me that there is a Dminor and a Dmajor. But whats confusing is that on the keyboard(CTK-230) there is a Db . This is the how my keyboard looks like.

C, C#, D, Eb, E, F, F#, G, Ab, A, Bb, B ... then it repeats itself.

Its confusing based on the listing in the main page. So could it be that the keyboard codes at the top mean something else and not whether if the key is a major or minor? They add up to 12keys.

Should this be the correct way?

C, C#, D, D#, E, F, F#, G, G#, A, A#, B <-- # means minor

the # scales seem to have a more upfeel tone, like happy. the major keys seem really low.

would appreciate heaps.

Last edited by raveanddie on Oct-10-2004 at 15:56

They are exactly the same. If it feels more upbeat it's because of how you are playing it.

D# is the same as Eb it's just a different name for it. Same thing with A# and Bb.

# = sharp
b = flat

But they are essentially exactly the same thing. The only thing that indicates a minor is 'm'.

The D# comes after the D on the chromatic scale.
If you see a # or a 'b' behind a letter it's a different note all together.

Cheers
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Just a question - when using the 1A, 2A, 3A etc harmonic mixing scale, which are the best numbers to mix with each other?

For example if I am playing a track which is a 5A are there any keys apart from 4A, 5B and 6A which I can mix into it?

Hey Ghostface,

Sure there are other combinations you can do. You can also do transations from 6a to 3a for example. This gives a good lifting feel to the mix. It's not so good if you go the other way i.e. from 3 to 6.
Rule of thumb is that you can drop 3 steps on the camelot scale.

Another way you can do it is by adding 4, let's say you go from 4a to 8a. This would be using the roots harmonic. This can also generate a nice lifting feel and/or a harmonic effect that can sound nice.

This mixes are better suited to quite quick changeovers as they are ussed for building energy and don't always sound that good if you have them running at the same time.

Hope this helps

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like whoa... i didn't realize there were that many ppl into keying their collection. very very cool. it brings on a new level of sofistication. very inspiring, much respect.

hi ... this is kinda annoying,

im referring to the camelot system
http://www.harmonic-mixing.com/overview/easymix.mv






seems that eveyone is using it ... but in that circle i see this

(12A) D flat minor
(1A) A flat minor
(2B) E flat minor
(3A) B flat minor


its so confusing .. where the hell is D flat minor, A flat minor , e flat minor and b flat minor on the keyboard? Whats further confusing is that there is also a D flat major, E flat major, A flat major, F sharp major,

i thought the key scale should be like this

Cmajor, Cminor, Dmajor, Dminor, Emajor, Fmajor, Fminor, Gmajor, Gminor, Amajor, Aminor, Bmajor ...







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