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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 No,that's not what I'm saying. You are totally twisting what I'm saying. It's not paying like you're thinking it is. It is giving up money willfully, to God.. so that his will can be done, like helping others you know? For example,with all the tithe money from my family we're helping Jews in Russia get home. So far, we've gotten 3 people home. We also give to an organization,where you take a shoe box and you fill it full of things like toys, tooth paste,shampoo,clothing,and makeup...etc and you send them to adults and children who are in need. That's what tithe money goes to.

Why not just give the money directly to charity, instead of filtering it through the "community"? It's a well known fact that 3/4 of the money supposed to go to charities never reaches where it's supposed to go. I mean, with all those service fee's and all, how COULD all of it get there, right?

With the collection baskets that go around directly however many minutes into mass, I can hardly say that's "willfully". Imagine if you didn't put money in the basket. You'd be talked about at the next three sewing circles for sure!

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 and that's the reason I didn't post the personal reasons, because I knew someone would start in being immature.

I think you need to brush up on the definition of sarcasm. I merely made that comment because I find it humorous that people can use "trust" "personal information" and "online" in the same sentence. How will you know if you can trust one person from another?

Do you honestly think none of us had any "personal" issues that made us believe in what we do? This is a debate. If you are not willing to front your side, what are you doing in it?

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 and that's the reason I didn't post the personal reasons, because I knew someone would start in being immature.

For christ's sake Nessa...

NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR #@^&#*&^%^!%@$!%$!!!@ PERSONAL REASONS!!!!

DEBATE OR STFU!

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Originally posted by anuneventrade Why not just give the money directly to charity, instead of filtering it through the "community"? It's a well known fact that 3/4 of the money supposed to go to charities never reaches where it's supposed to go. I mean, with all those service fee's and all, how COULD all of it get there, right? With the collection baskets that go around directly however many minutes into mass, I can hardly say that's "willfully". Imagine if you didn't put money in the basket. You'd be talked about at the next three sewing circles for sure!

Sometimes I don't put money into the basket. If I'm not learning from the pastors lessons,or from the church then I don't give money there. I only give to places I know the money will go to the best use, and I only give to the churches that teach me things, that make me grow..but I always tithe, everything I make. I've been very blessed,and I've always been able to afford things...

Infact, I was very tight on money around Christmas time, I was trying to enter a musician contest..I didn't have all the proper studio equiptment, I needed an MTR.. I prayed about it,and I still tithed even if I was tight on money..God provivded me with the money I needed, and now I have the equiptment I need,and beyond.. Blessings,I'm telling you.

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Originally posted by DigiNut For christ's sake Nessa... NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR #@^&#*&^%^!%@$!%$!!!@ PERSONAL REASONS!!!! DEBATE OR STFU!

Maybe you don't,but I'm sure there are those who understand,and do care. You seem to be the only one complaining.

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Originally posted by anuneventrade I think you need to brush up on the definition of sarcasm. I merely made that comment because I find it humorous that people can use "trust" "personal information" and "online" in the same sentence. How will you know if you can trust one person from another? Do you honestly think none of us had any "personal" issues that made us believe in what we do? This is a debate. If you are not willing to front your side, what are you doing in it?

I am willing,and I have. Just ask. Only a couple of people PMed me, So people must not want to hear I guess. So why are you complaining?

To add,I don't find anything funny about this topic.

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Originally posted by WhoaNellie1487 Maybe you don't,but I'm sure there are those who understand,and do care. You seem to be the only one complaining.

** I feel somewhat embarrassed, but I could not afford to stay in band because it was about 500 flat right then and there. I play the drums and can totally relate to financial needs. My parents are divorced and my dad has a pretty nice relaxed income, but my mom's is not equivalent. Also, when I do go to church I may not put much in but that's because they ask every week.

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Originally posted by anuneventrade Are you calling me a transcendentalist?

Maybe

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WhoaNellie Maybe you don't,but I'm sure there are those who understand,and do care. You seem to be the only one complaining.

no one here with a rational brain can apprehend your convoluted and naive sense of logic

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** I feel somewhat embarrassed, but I could not afford to stay in band because it was about 500 flat right then and there. I play the drums and can totally relate to financial needs. My parents are divorced and my dad has a pretty nice relaxed income, but my mom's is not equivalent. Also, when I do go to church I may not put much in but that's because they ask every week.

alyssa....DEBATE OR STFU!!!!!!!!!!

PM me if u dont understand...

If God did not exist, then our world as we know it, would tumble into chaos. what prevents this galaxy of milky way to collide into another, or our planet to be not pulled into the sun. the sun is bigger than all planets in the solar system combined, but yet we have an orbit, the same every year.

Also, if God isnt real, then are we real? what makes you think we live in a physical world? we could be inside of a matric program just like our friend Mr. Anderson was. There is a philosophical saying..."i think, therefore i am"...well if you "am", what makes you think??

These passage exactly describing most of you...

John 3:19
This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

Isaiah 5:20
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

Matthew 6:23
But if your eyes are bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

I could go on and on about darkness and light. take science out of this, because science proves nothing but the material physical world. it cant prove thought, existance, or logic. it measures the measurable. its proves what can be proved. if something has mathematical properties to it, it is scienctific. if no then it is not scientific. the bible is not a scientific book, therefore you cannot look at it as though you are a scientist.

You people will never understand christianity or god, jesus, the bible, church. your eyes are closed. u are in darkness, and hate the light. do u know where your life is going?? in the dark, can you see where you are going?? no...you cannot. you dont know your future. but, in the light, can u not see where u walk?? in darkness, u know nothing but what u can touch. but you CANNOT SEE!! but few of you will understand what i have said....

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funniest post ever, surely you're taking the piss heinz?

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Originally posted by Heinz If God did not exist, then our world as we know it, would tumble into chaos. what prevents this galaxy of milky way to collide into another, or our planet to be not pulled into the sun. the sun is bigger than all planets in the solar system combined, but yet we have an orbit, the same every year.

Thank you for proving that you have absolutely no understand of the basic laws of our universe (or science, if you'd prefer me to phrase it like that). Stop making unsupported assertions like that, they only show how ignorant you truly are. Back up what you say with evidence. Just because you say that the world would tumble into chaos doesn't mean that it actually will. You need to provide ev-i-dence.

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Also, if God isnt real, then are we real? what makes you think we live in a physical world? we could be inside of a matric program just like our friend Mr. Anderson was. There is a philosophical saying..."i think, therefore i am"...well if you "am", what makes you think??

“Also, if Fred the invisible elephant isn't real, then are we real? What makes you think we live in a physical world?"

By the way, we have these things called brains, you know, that mush inside our skulls. Some radical secular fundamentalists would have us believe that we think with our brains. What a load of hogwash!

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John 3:19 Isaiah 5:20 Matthew 6:23

More bible quotes, marvellous. You still don't seem to be able to grasp the fact that the bible has no meaning to non Christians.

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I could go on and on about darkness and light. take science out of this, because science proves nothing but the material physical world. it cant prove thought, existance, or logic. it measures the measurable. its proves what can be proved. if something has mathematical properties to it, it is scienctific. if no then it is not scientific. the bible is not a scientific book, therefore you cannot look at it as though you are a scientist.

Translation: Leave evidence out of this, evidence has no place here, because i don't have any!

FFS, I could just as easily claim that there is a fat female monkey that created the universe, she's sitting up in the sky right now! Pray to her or you'll be burned for all eternity! Oh course, I don't need to provide any evidence to prove that she exists, she just does, ok?

Have you ever considered the fact that science only proves the material physical world, because, well, that's all there is?

Dictionary.com definition of existence:
- The fact or state of existing; being. That deals with that absurd assertion. Need I go on? Again, provide evidence that science cannot deal with these things, instead of just announcing that it can't and/or doesn't.

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You people will never understand christianity or god, jesus, the bible, church. your eyes are closed. u are in darkness, and hate the light. do u know where your life is going?? in the dark, can you see where you are going?? no...you cannot. you dont know your future. but, in the light, can u not see where u walk?? in darkness, u know nothing but what u can touch. but you CANNOT SEE!! but few of you will understand what i have said....

Cool, a poorly written paragraph that makes absolutley no sense! You win the prize!

By the way, grammar and punctuation are teh cool.

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