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Originally posted by disko-kandi In 1998, earnings of employed women in Canada averaged $22,000, 64% of men's average earnings for the same year ($34,200). Part of the reason for women's lower earnings is that they are much more likely than men to work part time. However, even when only full-time, full-year employees are considered, the wage gap persists. In 1998, women in full-time, full-year positions earned an average of $32,600, 72% of the average of $45,100 earned by their male counterparts.[/I]

Great so they compare ALL women to ALL men. Did they compare actual job to actual job? NOPE! Apples and oranges people!!!

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Part of the reason for women's lower earnings is that they are much more likely than men to work part time.

Exactly what i mentioned earlier. MANY WOMEN STAY HOME TO TAKE CARE OF CHILDREN AND SOMETIMES WORK PART TIME JUST TO MAKE A BIT OF EXTRA CASH WHILE THE KIDS ARE AT SCHOOL. My mother did this. Does that mean she's at a disadvantage? according to this study she is!

Sorry but until i see a study that compares the exact same job profession i wont buy this at all.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 There are because way too many men arent standing up for themselves like you said. The problem is twofold. Wimpy guy meets manipulative woman.

Actually now that I think about it..

If I was going out with a girl, who NEVER offered to pay, but was doing other duties often associated with women(ie. cooking, washing dishes, washing my clothes, cleaning the house), I really wouldn't have a problem paying for her ALL the time.

Now, please don't call me sexist for making such a statement. I'm just describing a hypothetical situation here.

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Originally posted by LAYLA-KEKET Personaly I would feel very uncomfortable if a guy paid for the whole night... Thats me though, I am a very equal opportunity person... You know he pays for dinner you buy the movie. I mean you want to be equals with the person you with right, how can you be equal if budget is all one sided?

Well at least one woman here has gotten it so far.....

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Originally posted by Durafei Actually now that I think about it.. If I was going out with a girl, who NEVER offered to pay, but was doing other duties often associated with women(ie. cooking, washing dishes, washing my clothes, cleaning the house), I really wouldn't have a problem paying for her ALL the time. Now, please don't call me sexist for making such a statement. I'm just describing a hypothetical situation here.

except id feel bad for making her clean and cook all the time and offer to help out most of the time.

I guess what it really comes down to is culture.

In some cultures it is perfectly normal for a man to pay for everything, but for a woman to do all the house duties. In those cultures man are indeed supposed to pay for everything.

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Originally posted by disko-kandi quite the emphasis, no? it makes it look like you don't have a choice ... that's what i'm saying!

He always pays for everything on dates. I try to pay, and always offer, and THATS's what I said earlier and still say now. I don't have to explain myself at all. I don't have a choice whether I pay or not, he will just give me the money back if I do. We have been together for 5 years anyway, like it matters who pays at this stage.

If I were to go on a date with a different guy tommorrow I would insist that we split the bill, or work out something like that, I would even offer to pay. Unfortunatly my bf just doesn't make it that easy.

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Originally posted by The Highroller Why not?

k i know we live in the new age and its not the 1950's but still i belive a guy should take the first step. i'm tired of taking the first steps all the blooddy damn time. first one to ask him out pay for the first date, inisiate the kiss, i'm sorry but i see some of you guys that complain about doing everything first, what about the girls who actualy DO do things first?

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Originally posted by jennypie
Because you're a filthy WHORE!

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Originally posted by Spyder k i know we live in the new age and its not the 1950's but still i belive a guy should take the first step.

Why? So you can score a free dinner and movie?

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Originally posted by Spyder what about the girls who actualy DO do things first?

I have yet to meet one.

We are not talking about being the man, and making the first move etc. That is a whole different issue. What we are trying to get at here is that "being the man" shouldn't mean footing the bill.

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Originally posted by The Highroller Why? So you can score a free dinner and movie?

one i've NEVER gotten a free dinner and movie in my life. so i hate to say it dont know how it feels like, let alone dont abuse the "gift"

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I have yet to meet one. We are not talking about being the man, and making the first move etc. That is a whole different issue. What we are trying to get at here is that "being the man" shouldn't mean footing the bill.

well then in all belife ... split the bill, for the first date. the second date same deal, then if it gets into a relationship, the person who inniciates the next date should be the one who should pay.

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Originally posted by jennypie
Because you're a filthy WHORE!

It works both ways.

I've had girls come up to me at clubs or in coffee shops, say hi, ask me out, and take me to dinner and out for drinks. Sure, I offered to pay, but when she insisted after the first attempt, since she asked me out, I told her, fine...as long as the next date's on me.

I don't necessarily think she should pay because she asked me out, but she's obviously a bit more liberated than other girls...I like that. It's also a good sing that later on, if we stick together for a few dates, that I won't have to make the first move when it comes to sex. That gets annoying.

It's also worked the other way too. With remants of chivalry still floating around in the world, I wouldn't EXPECT a girl to try to pay on the first date, but she should on the second...if not, it's the last.

I usually like to pay for dinner when I can, but I've had alot of girls pay for me, cause I wasnt either working at the time, or didnt have any cash, and they insisted on going out with me and having a few drinks and dinner. I dont really have that sort of pride, you cant put a pricetag on having a good time, so I try not to think about money too much. If anything I just say, I dont feel comfortable making you spend so much on me, we can do just as many fun things for practically free...Picnics and walks downtown for some ice cream. But in all seriousness, I hate not having any money. The last spree of not working was a from Dec. to May., and I am never doing that ever again in my life, life was shat.