Are you f*cking kidding me. You couldn't afford to buy this much exposure unless you were one of the larger labels. Now, your getting it for free.

Nothing lasts for ever. The business model the recording industry has used for the last hundred years is extinct. Accept it. As a business owner, you now have to find ways to take advantage of what is happening.

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Originally posted by bruddahmanmatt There is no such vehicle as a Ford Mustang GT40. There are the original Ford GT40 Race Cars (The 289 powered Mark I, 427 powered Mark II and the 427 powered Mark IV with extensive body modifications), the original GT40 Road Cars (the 289 powered Mark III) and the soon to be produced Ford GT powered by a blown 5.4L DOHC version of Fords modular V8. The Mustang has nothing to do with the GT40. The only time GT40 is used in reference to a Mustang is when you talk about a specific type of aftermarket cast iron cylinder heads for five-oh powered Fox Body ('79-93) Mustangs called well... GT40 cylinder heads.

speaking of cars...

i just purchased a 1967 Ford Mustang Fastback 289 A-Code with original recently rebuilt engine...

still has owners manual and service books... and its RUST free!

w00t


carry on

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Simcut

Forgot to mention before, you must remember that not all "mp3 downloaders" have no intentions of buying the song(s) on vinyl.

I agree with Simcut. Depending on the part of the world you live some people have access to most new tunes with lots of clubs and a multitude of vinyl stores and to pick and choose which ones to buy after lots of airing. Down here in Oz, we don't have that luxury. In Sydney only one radio station plays Trance and then only three hours a week. Only two stores in Sydney stock decent Trance vinyls and you have to be there at "sparrows fart" to grab what you can before they sell out of some records. For me, since around 1999-2000, the net and mp3s have been a godsend in allowing me to listen and choose what I buy from mainly online stores. I bought around 100 vinyl each year and all were bought only after listening to an mp3. The last twelve months or so has seen a crackdown on mp3 sharing and sent lots of ftp owners running for cover. Personally I have found it extremely difficult to find upfront mp3s for some time now. Interestingly, this year I have bought only 12 records as opposed to last year's 93. I'm a bedroom DJ and I just won't spend my hard earned on records on speck and potentially throw them in a crate forever after only playing them once if I don't like them. I'm not saying that this justifies file sharing but for me it's a kind of free advertising for the copyright owner who eventually gets a benefit if I take up the offer. And I've done that lots since 1999. I figure around $8,000 worth easily. And I don't need a 192 kbps mp3 version either. I bought so many Airbase tunes after listening to lo-fi samples. Maybe lo-fi mp3s could be an option. Anyways, since Christmas I have spent only 200 bux plus postage on vinyl and play my oldies more and more (kinda nice). But there has to be a message there somewhere. Oh yeah, I'm on a mission to buy every record from Oakey's '99 Essential Mix from Space Ibiza and I only got to hear this from an mp3. I know stealing mp3s is illegal but if anyone has done anything as trivial as copying a magazine on the company photocopier I don't believe it's fair for them to criticize anyone else duplicating copyrighted material.

Happy belated birthday Cameron you bastard!

and hello Mike mate :-)

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Originally posted by Frase It comes down to the old point..... I want a Ford Mustang GT40 but i have to wait 3-6 months before its released in the UK. So because i dont want to wait, im going to go out and steal the nearest one i can find. See, your theory works on paper, but the majority of people are impatient. Their has to promotion of the track and hype. Hence the delay in hearing it to it being available to purchase. The problem here ISNT the labels, its the mp3 groups who think the whole scene revolves around them, with their so called 'releases' thinking that themselves are their own record label. When people realise that the problem lies not with the record labels, but with the filesharing & release groups then maybe people will start to agree more and work with labels. Once this problem goes you might see a change in the way music is released by labels, maybe even quicker release dates from when you hear this. But this is down to DJ's overkilling the track more to the label itself handing out the promos

dude ur car analogy sucks..first of all if the car isnt out yet then almost nobody will have it so how can u " steal it "..or do they send out car promos now..u cant compare stealing a car to downloading an mp3..if it was easy to steal cars as it is to download a track there would be a hell of alot of stolen cars..it is not a matter of integrity it is a matter of convinience.

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Originally posted by keithos27 Aren't there legal consequences for braodcasting/playing music you do not legally own as a DJ? -Keith

Not really...see.... radio stations, TV stations, clubs etc, are paying royalties to MPRS, so DJs can play any track there.

Regards

Yiannis
Kuffdam and Plant

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Aren't there legal consequences for braodcasting/playing music you do not legally own as a DJ? -Keith

Yes there are.
Places like clubs, bars and radio etc all pay a licence.
One of the terms of this licence is you are not allowed to play illegal material or material you do not own a legitimate copy of. Many dj contracts also state this.
not to mention random checks. In the uk , the PRS (performing rights society) make random checks on your discs- happened to me most recently last thursday.
promo cds and cdrs sent to you are still copyrighted and have the same legal implications

You know on your records it says ' not for unauthorised public performance/broadcast etc'? Thats covered by the licence, as well as loads of other things which give you the right of authorised public performance in that licensed venue.

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Originally posted by Radagast So much for doing it for the sake of art. All he cares about are the dollar signs.

Well.... I'd gladly produce just for the ..fun of it and for the sake of art...but unfortunately....Steinberg, Propellerheads, Native Instruments, Korg, Roland, Novation and some companies more.... wouldn't see my points and..charged us for our hard and software!

If you think we are getting rich by this...forget it! We are just braking eaven....we do this in our free time, and trust me when I say, we do it, just because we love producing...nothing more than that!

respects

Yiannis

Kuffdam and Plant

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Originally posted by keithos27 dude, fuck that... if you invested your hard time and money into it and were trying to support yourself and/or your famiily, you would understand where he is coming from. i truthfully have no problem with people dling music to "sample" the song, but i strongly support buying music to support the artist... i have spent over 6,000 dollars just this past year in music. -keith

I can only say, well done man!!! and.....I wish that there were some millions more like you !!


Regards

Yiannis

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Originally posted by Power Plant I can only say, well done man!!! and.....I wish that there were some millions more like you !! Regards Yiannis

well there isnt alot of people that have 6k to spend on records..u have to remember that most of the edm fans r young so they r probably in school or saving up for school...most students cant afford to pay 10 bucks for a vinyl that turns out to be crap of a tune.

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Originally posted by Frase It comes down to the old point..... I want a Ford Mustang GT40 but i have to wait 3-6 months before its released in the UK. So because i dont want to wait, im going to go out and steal the nearest one i can find. See, your theory works on paper, but the majority of people are impatient. Their has to promotion of the track and hype. Hence the delay in hearing it to it being available to purchase. The problem here ISNT the labels, its the mp3 groups who think the whole scene revolves around them, with their so called 'releases' thinking that themselves are their own record label. When people realise that the problem lies not with the record labels, but with the filesharing & release groups then maybe people will start to agree more and work with labels. Once this problem goes you might see a change in the way music is released by labels, maybe even quicker release dates from when you hear this. But this is down to DJ's overkilling the track more to the label itself handing out the promos

I still disagree with the release groups being the problem. Sure they ARE the ones who rip the tracks and put them out there, there's some blame in that. But, you can't place ALL the blame on them. After all, ripping and releasing tracks is what they do. That's essentially their job (so to speak).

Ok, maybe some of the problem does not lie within the labels, but YOU GUYS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN MATERIAL. Like what was said before, release group members are always signed up to the promo lists. That is just asking for it. Instead of bitching out people who download and the release groups, maybe you should try to adapt to the changes. Try to use your head and overcome this problem creatively, possibly with other forms of promotion or distribution.

Since I don't own/run a label, I don't know what else to tell you. You tell me.

MP3's are not going away. Unless you have some kind of sixth sense that can immediately identify the names and addresses of every single release group member, I'd work with the current situation. (That would be pretty cool, btw, then all you could do is hand those names to the authorities and the groups are gone!)

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Originally posted by DJ Intrigue I still disagree with the release groups being the problem. Sure they ARE the ones who rip the tracks and put them out there, there's some blame in that. But, you can't place ALL the blame on them. After all, ripping and releasing tracks is what they do. That's essentially their job (so to speak). Ok, maybe some of the problem does not lie within the labels, but YOU GUYS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN MATERIAL. Like what was said before, release group members are always signed up to the promo lists. That is just asking for it. Instead of bitching out people who download and the release groups, maybe you should try to adapt to the changes. Try to use your head and overcome this problem creatively, possibly with other forms of promotion or distribution. Since I don't own/run a label, I don't know what else to tell you. You tell me. MP3's are not going away. Unless you have some kind of sixth sense that can immediately identify the names and addresses of every single release group member, I'd work with the current situation. (That would be pretty cool, btw, then all you could do is hand those names to the authorities and the groups are gone!)

i agree..mp3's are here to stay..fighting mp3s is fighting an uphill battle..i mean napster got closed audiogalaxy poped up,AG got closed..kazaa poped up and now there are torrents..face it, it is not going anywhere..trying to make people feel bad for downloading wont work either...try to emrace it somehow or roll with the punches. for every problem there is usually a solution however cryin and the " you should be ashamed method" arent one of em.