i think the point to consider here is that you've produced one of the biggest selling, most heard and meorable records at the height of trance's populairty. Because of that, you don't need as much promotion as someone starting out or less successfull. Rank 1 would survive without filesharing, others wouldnt.

Take a scenario where Airwave never existed. Do you think that all your follow up singles and album would of sold as many as they did if it wasnt for Airwave's success. I'd never heard of you till Airwave and then afterwards i backtracked your discog and found your kamaya painters material etc. Image and reputation are everything.

Strayign off the point a little but just throughing in another angle

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Originally posted by Benno de Goeij How contradicting....

what i meant was YES technically it is stealing by law...but i, like most people, dont feel like we are stealing when we do it...perhaps because we are in our homes and not in a store and dont have anything tangable in our hands.

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Originally posted by Benno de Goeij And one other thing: how can file sharing make me big if all those sharers hadn't support me by buying my records? I think i would deliver the post by now if they all "just made me big"..

Think of it as advertising....i bought SYmsonic....not because i heard some random DJ play tunes from it in a club...but because i downloaded Black Snow and wanted more sounds from you guys.

For you to sit there and honestly say that trance, techno and even house would be where it is today, as big as it has become, without filesharing is patently absurd. Sorry...i respect you as an artist...but i think you are fooling yourself.

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 Djs only play in like 20 (more like 5-6) cities in the US. I know some people on here that haven't seen any big djs.

But do you think a lot of people buy trance in the US?

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Originally posted by Benno de Goeij I think it's the DJ's that make music popular not the file sharers if you ask me. DJ's are the people that play the music they think there audience will like they travel the world, just like mp3's do.

but in many respects, it's the file-sharing that has made the djs much more popular (and many will readily admit to that fact), so the calculus seems to be that file sharing is far more beneficial to djs than it is to producers.

solution for benno = get rank 1 on the road more often

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Originally posted by Benno de Goeij But do you think a lot of people buy trance in the US?

I know the record shop in Boston carries trance because they say it sells, and they make more of a profit then their other records.

Ive bought 300 records this year? Like 1/2 of what i made went to music.

I know a lot of people now are starting to use Itunes & digital stores but obviously the majority just download.

Obviously though for the most part, the answer is that people will not buy music or movies if they don't have to in the us.

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Originally posted by Benno de Goeij But do you think a lot of people buy trance in the US?

They do now...more than they used to.

ANd not for nothing...but the majority of people i download from are Europeans...not Americans or Canadians....go figure.

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Originally posted by Konijn but in many respects, it's the file-sharing that has made the djs much more popular (and many will readily admit to that fact), so the calculus seems to be that file sharing is far more beneficial to djs than it is to producers. solution for benno = get rank 1 on the road more often

passport issues... atleast for many djs that want to playin in the states...

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Originally posted by tiesto14 They do now...more than they used to. ANd not for nothing...but the majority of people i download from are Europeans...not Americans or Canadians....go figure.

what about your massive 50 cent collection?

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 what about your massive 50 cent collection?

LOL u mean Ja Rule

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Originally posted by tiesto14 what i meant was YES technically it is stealing by law...but i, like most people, dont feel like we are stealing when we do it...perhaps because we are in our homes and not in a store and dont have anything tangable in our hands.

That's what i think exactly too!

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Think of it as advertising....i bought SYmsonic....not because i heard some random DJ play tunes from it in a club...but because i downloaded Black Snow and wanted more sounds from you guys.

Let me make one thing clear: i am talking about people who download, enjoy but don't pay, not people like you who do!

And p2p is not the only media to listen to new music. Internet radio, live sets and online shops do provide the same tracks.

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For you to sit there and honestly say that trance, techno and even house would be where it is today

Did i say that? I said i can't tell, just like you can't tell it did!

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Originally posted by tiesto14 They do now...more than they used to. ANd not for nothing...but the majority of people i download from are Europeans...not Americans or Canadians....go figure.

Well it IS available like you say yourself!

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Originally posted by Benno de Goeij That's what i think exactly too!

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Originally posted by Benno de Goeij Let me make one thing clear: i am talking about people who download, enjoy but don't pay, not people like you who do!

Well they can't be stopped. And it is still a form of advertising.

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Originally posted by Benno de Goeij And p2p is not the only media to listen to new music. Internet radio, live sets and online shops do provide the same tracks.

Could point...do you support downloading of and sharing live sets of your gigs or Piets alone?

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Originally posted by Benno de Goeij Did i say that? I said i can't tell, just like you can't tell it did!

I know where i would place my bet

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