this thread blew up like hiroshima!


alright here's my 2 cents - Even tho I whored myself pretty well senior year HS all the way through college, I've always mantained that if a child were to ever pop out (p.i. ... aka pun intented - i do this alot) anyway if a child were to ever come i would take care of it 100% and do whatever it takes to make sure it got the life i never got - my real dad left when i was 3.

regardless of personal reasons. we have a very special gift of creating life, and to go on not taking care of something you're created is just a low motherfucking thing to do. how can you have a baby and even think about leaving it? ... i could go on forever about this, but the point is if it happens to me i am going to be a fucking man and own up.

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Originally posted by Psy-T ...

Thank you for emphasizing my point. Good luck getting people to sign them because then it would bind them to an agreement where they would legally have to uphold lest they face the consequences. Therefore, they would have to abstain sexual pleasure with one another. That is not going to happen.

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Originally posted by Aristronica this thread blew up like hiroshima! alright here's my 2 cents - Even tho I whored myself pretty well senior year HS all the way through college, I've always mantained that if a child were to ever pop out (p.i. ... aka pun intented - i do this alot) anyway if a child were to ever come i would take care of it 100% and do whatever it takes to make sure it got the life i never got - my real dad left when i was 3. regardless of personal reasons. we have a very special gift of creating life, and to go on not taking care of something you're created is just a low motherfucking thing to do. how can you have a baby and even think about leaving it? ... i could go on forever about this, but the point is if it happens to me i am going to be a fucking man and own up.

People think they can get out of a lot of things in life if they argue through it with "logic" and "reason". All it takes for a good person to turn into a stupid one is justification that what one is doing is not "immoral".

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Here is another way to explain the asymmetry:

Before the woman gets pregnant, both the man and the woman have a choice about whether to have sex.

After the woman gets pregnant, many people are arguing, only the woman should have a choice as to (a) whether the child gets carried to term and (b) whether the man has to be a paying father. The argument people are making is that once the woman gets pregnant, the man no longer has any rights at all either to his own bodily autonomy, for he can be thrown in prison, or to his finances, for he can have as much of them taken away as governmental authorities deem appropriate; the woman retains all of the power and all of her rights.

This is inconsistent, sexist, and unjust, and there is no way around that.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Thank you for emphasizing my point. Good luck getting people to sign them because then it would bind them to an agreement where they would legally have to uphold lest they face the consequences. Therefore, they would have to abstain sexual pleasure with one another. That is not going to happen.

are you even reading what we're writing?
as long as sex for pleasure is all you want, you don't have to sign anything.

edit: just to be clear, what i was attempting to point out in the "..." post is a contradiction between the two seperate underscored sentences.

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Originally posted by Psy-T you're thinking about this from the point of view where it's default for childbirth to occur and for both parties involved to take responsibility for it, just try changing the default and you'll have far less problems. require some bureaocracy for planned pregnancy rather than for casual sex (and i don't mean only for the females either - if a male is interested in fathering a potential offspring from a random sexual encounter, then he must fill such a form too, and notify his potential partners, whereupon they either agree via signing it, or disagree via declining him as a sexual partner). (from a rather limited review of this proposition i see only benefits, i.e. less custody battles, less poverty, less tax dollars thrown on these problems, and obviously, more freedom and independence for both sexes, however, you are welcome to point out any direct 'negative' results (preferably not fringe ones).) how many women out there looking for some sexual fun are hoping to be impregnated as a result? not many, i'd say - yet if it happens despite whatever precautions are taken, how many of them are going to want to carry the child to term? enough for it to become seriously problematic. what responsibility should they take in such a case? staying true to their original intentions? or carrying it to term? the current default assumption is (imo) unfortunately the latter.

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Originally posted by Psy-T as long as sex for pleasure is all you want, you don't have to sign anything.

Indeed. My idea was that the only contract you sign, is when you actually want a baby. Not for every time you have sex.

basic law of life - "what goes up, must come down"

you can't have the good without the bed, etc. etc. etc.

when you're choosing to have sex you're also taking the risk of getting (someone) pregnant. it's ignorant to think "well what the hell, i'm just doing this for pleasure, motherfuck the concequences."

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Originally posted by Aristronica you can't have the good without the bed

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Originally posted by Aristronica basic law of life - "what goes up, must come down" you can't have the good without the bed, etc. etc. etc. when you're choosing to have sex you're also taking the risk of getting (someone) pregnant. it's ignorant to think "well what the hell, i'm just doing this for pleasure, motherfuck the concequences."

read all my posts in this thread and try again .


p.s. that basic law is called gravity, just fyi.

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Originally posted by Psy-T read all my posts in this thread and try again . p.s. that basic law is called gravity, just fyi.

17 pages!? f*ck that! i'll just be ignorant (and very very russian) and think my opinion is obviously the most important and right one.

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Originally posted by Aristronica 17 pages!? f*ck that! i'll just be ignorant (and very very russian) and think my opinion is obviously the most important and right one.

as i said before, removing one consequence doesn't automagically remove all the 'bad', nor does it stop the cycle of action-reaction.

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