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Originally posted by cronodevir 2. The most popular view of the big bang theory is everything just magically poofed in and of itself, into existence.

Wrong. The theory is that the univers is an endless cycle akin to the chicken and the egg. Everything that exists was so tightly compressed that it was smaller than an atom so it makes sense why the big bang was so...well....big. Eventually as the galaxies formed and starting drifting further away their pull on each other got less (which is what is happening now). Eventually, the reverse happens and the galaxies are drawn together into what is eventually an extremely dense ball of matter, so we end up right where we started. Then another big bang happens and so on and so on and so on.

The theory has never been that "nothing was there"

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This whole thread with all the flaming about soundcards is so incredibly hilarious.. Really made my day.

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Originally posted by Zak McKracken ill be back in about 16 hours.

during 16 hours it has growed 10 pages hahahaha. lets get it on.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Palm, you use 512 to save CPU? Why? If latency doesn't effect sound quality, you should be able to use 64 and still browse the net and all that stuff.

but at 64 samples other processes stops and eventually bits and bytes out to the soundcard will be lost making it skip information in the DAC-prosess, which is what u think it bad soundquality. lol

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Originally posted by Storyteller That's because you guys probably have a different perspective on what audio quality is. Palm most likely means audio quality in terms of the bitrate and samplerate. If the audio drops (due to low latency) that doesn't mean the quality of the audio is any less, it just means the computer fails to get the sound information to the soundcard on time. Your perception of audio quality (Cronodevir), seems to be that if the audio glitches, the quality is less. Which technically could be considered correct as well.

bitrate and samplerate is not what i talk about no as im using only 44,1 16bit anyway. when i talk about quality i talk about dynamics, stereo-perspective, flat frequency respons, low distortion, singal-noise-ratio etc etc... the DAC. NOT blops due computer-CPU-overload.

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Originally posted by cronodevir quote: Originally posted by Storyteller Palm most likely means audio quality in terms of the bitrate and samplerate. Render Quality

no i dont talk about render quality, i never did. bitrate and samplerate are part of the monitoring too, not only in rendering. Its a setting in your soundcard for better monitoring also, not just a render option. Youd know that if u had a soundcard.

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Originally posted by cronodevir quote: Originally posted by Storyteller If the audio drops (due to low latency) that doesn't mean the quality of the audio is any less, it just means the computer fails to get the sound information to the soundcard on time. Audio Quality

Fail

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Originally posted by cronodevir So what is the actual quality of the final render called?

it doesnt matter as everything should be rendered at 44,1kHz 16bit, render quality is more about clipping imo. note: imo.

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Originally posted by lenieNt Force I use 4096, works wonders. Much better than 512, thats for sure.

better how? better soundquality or PC-perforance? think twice before answering that.

good thread btw, this sure needs to be discussed...

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Originally posted by Storyteller Now everybody seems to be a professional debater like Cronodevir.

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Originally posted by Subtle I`m going to give him my ANALOG BOOT up the ass!

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Originally posted by Existo22 I AM NOT ADVISING ANYBODY TO BRICKWALL LIMIT THEIR MASTER CHANNEL YOU IDIOT.

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Originally posted by orTof?nChiLd i remember when he said the virus ti was analogue quote: Originally posted by echosystm when the fuck did i ever say that? find the post. go back to your box like a good boy now. quote: Originally posted by orTof?nChiLd http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...d=&pagenumber=2 [QUOTE]Originally posted by echosystm that was clearly a joke... obviously you never saw "the" kimset7 thread...

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Originally posted by echosystm no. also, you are wrong about most things in your life. it should be illegal for your parents to procreate. has anyone seen the movie "idiocracy"?

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Originally posted by echosystm whoa, retardation AND memory loss! you are very lucky that, thanks to modern science, natural selection no longer works.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Yeah, They call it "The West" now. echosystem != intelligence

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Originally posted by gr8ape strong e-rage going on in this thread

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Originally posted by mysticalninja lol.... he said they don't equal each other fool

awesome

were discussing religion now?

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Originally posted by Fledz Wrong. The theory is that the univers is an endless cycle akin to the chicken and the egg. Everything that exists was so tightly compressed that it was smaller than an atom so it makes sense why the big bang was so...well....big. Eventually as the galaxies formed and starting drifting further away their pull on each other got less (which is what is happening now). Eventually, the reverse happens and the galaxies are drawn together into what is eventually an extremely dense ball of matter, so we end up right where we started. Then another big bang happens and so on and so on and so on. The theory has never been that "nothing was there"

Of course, Infinite Recession Fallacy destroys that theory.

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Originally posted by palm better how? better soundquality or PC-perforance? think twice before answering that.

Well that depends how you see it. Foremost it gets you better "PC-performance", in terms of facilitating cpu power with a bigger buffer, which in turn gives you less crackling and allows for more cpu power to be used on plugins and instruments. Wether you get better soundquality or not from that is a question of definition. If you mean soundquality as in for instance signal to noise ratio in the DA convertion, then no, you don't get higher soundquality from higher latency.

What I said was a comment to someone who stated that higher latency than 512 samples is of no use.

crono read the above post, its what were trying to tell you.

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Originally posted by lenieNt Force What I said was a comment to someone who stated that higher latency than 512 samples is of no use.

that would be me i guess. it is of no use when it comes to soundquality.

Existo22: i just noticed a PM, why did u PM me the original post? I dont need any help really, I know what I need to work on. Did u PM it to everyone or just me? Why?

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Originally posted by palm that would be me i guess.

Actually not.. seems I quoted RichieV there

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Originally posted by lenieNt Force Well that depends how you see it. Foremost it gets you better "PC-performance", in terms of facilitating cpu power with a bigger buffer, which in turn gives you less crackling and allows for more cpu power to be used on plugins and instruments. Wether you get better soundquality or not from that is a question of definition. If you mean soundquality as in for instance signal to noise ratio in the DA convertion, then no, you don't get higher soundquality from higher latency. What I said was a comment to someone who stated that higher latency than 512 samples is of no use.

Hey, You said exactly what I said. Thanks for Re-Hashing my words. Just goes to show, people like to argue with me, whether I am right or [lol] wrong.

Latency improves audio quality, and it has no effect on render quality. That's all there is. There isn't some other quality of something that I don't know about. There is the quality of the sound before render [audio quality], and the quality of the sound after render [render quality].

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Originally posted by cronodevir Latency improves audio quality, and it has no effect on render quality. That's all there is. There isn't some other quality of something that I don't know about. There is the quality of the sound before render [audio quality], and the quality of the sound after render [render quality].

thats the oposite of what he said tho. and why do you keep bringing rendering in, its not part of the discussion at all. i give up

Rendering

It is part of the discussion. Because its the only thing latency doesn't effect. Latency does effect 'the' 'quality' 'of' 'the' 'sound' 'before' 'you' 'render'...the sound that comes out of your speakers, put your latency on 64 samples and play 20 instance of z3ta..it sounds all shity and fucked up, aka 'the' 'sound' 'quality' 'is' 'bad'...can't spell it out any better. The CPU chokes because of a low buffer and this pops clicks and other artifacts are introduced to the live pre-render sound coming out of your speakers. That is generally considered bad sound quality. Because good sounds quality doesn't have distortion and other artifacts in it.

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well we just have to agree that our meaning about soundquality is different. bips and blops imo is just lost datastreamsm and software-fault while the actualy quality is whats made in the transistors, resistors, capasitators and all the analog parts. Ive made a clear line on whats what and thats when its not digital anymore. Thats my definition though and it might be wrong. I dont care, I cant hear any better soundquality when going from 512 to 4096. Nor can I hear bader soundquality when going from 512 to 64 but I can feel the computer is starting to struggle and I know that fault will occur if I push it harder. BRB gotta catch a movie and grab bite.