I watched the whole trial (on Youtube), and it was clear about half-way in that Zimmerman was going to walk. Prosecution was going for the whole "think of the child, Zimmerman had HATE in his heart, FUCKING PUNKS" Matthew Mcconaughey emotional appeal.

Sorry, boys, but that only works in the movies. It was clear the prosecution had no case, and what is even worse is that several of the witnesses called in by the prosecution made the case for the defense. The whole racial aspect of the case was blatantly hammed up by the media, the masses who feel as though we are still living in early 1960s Mississippi (but racism still exists, no doubt), and other interest groups, and now that Zimmerman walks as a result of a fair trial, all the Trayvon Martin supporters are grasping for straws, like the prosecution. The prosecution did not botch this case; they just had no case to begin with.

So, yes, tragedy about what happened, but I suppose something that ALL communities in America should take away from this is, as somebody already mentioned, act like a punk, don't expect to be treated any other way other than a punk. Whether "stalked" or not, all the evidence suggests that Trayvon Martin made a conscious decision to escalate the situation when a simple verbal exchange between Zimmerman and him could have avoided this whole thing and everybody would be a-OK to-day.

I personally don't see anything wrong with Zimmerman checking out what Martin was doing because (a) he was part of the neighbourhood watch, (b) he was not familiar with Martin, and (c) the recent slew of break-ins gave him and everybody within the community reason for concern. If it were me in a similar situation, I wouldn't stand around with my dick in my hand, waiting for the police to come around (at least, they take forever to make an appearance here). I'd DO something and approach that someone, if I perceived (correctly or incorrectly) something to be in the wrong, and does that make me an inherently BAD person with HATE in his heart? Assuming I did what Zimmerman did*, I would approach that somebody and would ask "What are you doing around here?" A lucid human being would either (1) react indignantly and tell me to fuck off (which I would do), or (2) make a run for it and perhaps think twice before returning to the area. But that's just me.


*edit: Also, it's not even clear if Zimmerman approached Trayvon. In fact it is probable that Martin accosted Zimmerman, at which point things turned ugly.

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Originally posted by R.j. I watched the whole trial (on Youtube), and it was clear about half-way in that Zimmerman was going to walk. Prosecution was going for the whole "think of the child, Zimmerman had HATE in his heart, FUCKING PUNKS" Matthew Mcconaughey emotional appeal. Sorry, boys, but that only works in the movies. It was clear the prosecution had no case, and what is even worse is that several of the witnesses called in by the prosecution made the case for the defense. The whole racial aspect of the case was blatantly hammed up by the media, the masses who feel as though we are still living in early 1960s Mississippi (but racism still exists, no doubt), and other interest groups, and now that Zimmerman walks as a result of a fair trial, all the Trayvon Martin supporters are grasping for straws, like the prosecution. The prosecution did not botch this case; they just had no case to begin with. So, yes, tragedy about what happened, but I suppose something that ALL communities in America should take away from this is, as somebody already mentioned, act like a punk, don't expect to be treated any other way other than a punk. Whether "stalked" or not, all the evidence suggests that Trayvon Martin made a conscious decision to escalate the situation when a simple verbal exchange between Zimmerman and him could have avoided this whole thing and everybody would be a-OK to-day. I personally don't see anything wrong with Zimmerman checking out what Martin was doing because (a) he was part of the neighbourhood watch, (b) he was not familiar with Martin, and (c) the recent slew of break-ins gave him and everybody within the community reason for concern. If it were me in a similar situation, I wouldn't stand around with my dick in my hand, waiting for the police to come around (at least, they take forever to make an appearance here). I'd DO something and approach that someone, if I perceived (correctly or incorrectly) something to be in the wrong, and does that make me an inherently BAD person with HATE in his heart? Assuming I did what Zimmerman did*, I would approach that somebody and would ask "What are you doing around here?" A lucid human being would either (1) react indignantly and tell me to fuck off (which I would do), or (2) make a run for it and perhaps think twice before returning to the area. But that's just me. *edit: Also, it's not even clear if Zimmerman approached Trayvon. In fact it is probable that Martin accosted Zimmerman, at which point things turned ugly.

This. Perfectly put.

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Originally posted by R.j. I would approach that somebody and would ask "What are you doing around here?"

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I don't understand why everyone is saying the reason he was not guilty is due to racism. The guy that murdered him was Hispanic. In the south, you'd figure they will probably let you get away if you're a white male.

Race, or skin color as I call it (because there's only a human race involved), probably had nothing to do it.

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Originally posted by R.j. I personally don't see anything wrong with Zimmerman checking out what Martin was doing because (a) he was part of the neighbourhood watch, (b) he was not familiar with Martin, and (c) the recent slew of break-ins gave him and everybody within the community reason for concern. If it were me in a similar situation, I wouldn't stand around with my dick in my hand, waiting for the police to come around (at least, they take forever to make an appearance here). I'd DO something and approach that someone, if I perceived (correctly or incorrectly) something to be in the wrong, and does that make me an inherently BAD person with HATE in his heart? Assuming I did what Zimmerman did*, I would approach that somebody and would ask "What are you doing around here?" A lucid human being would either (1) react indignantly and tell me to fuck off (which I would do), or (2) make a run for it and perhaps think twice before returning to the area. But that's just me.

If I were an angsty black kid from a rough neighbourhood and some big brawler type guy gets out of his car to follow me in a place were it's perfectly okay to carry guns around, I'd probably have some difficulty assuming you're just there to parley.
It's an all round messed up situation, but if you carry a threatening appearance and consciously seek out confrontation you should also be concious of the fact that people might not act rationally to your advances.
It's just not normal in my world to carry a gun to a conversation on the street with a stranger, in fact it's downright scary.

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That'd be reasonable if Zimmerman wasn't 5'7 185lbs, and Trayvon was 5'11.

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Do you only fear people that are bigger then you?

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Do you realize that 911 dispatchers are not "the police"? They're the people that tell you to avoid any conflict whatsoever in any circumstance. If an intruder breaks into your house and you have a loaded gun next to your bed, they'd tell you to hide in a closet. Saying "the police told him not to follow" is a complete falsity.

lol, you're really going with that? Do you know how stupid that sounds? 911 dispatchers aren't police and they'll just tell me to hide in a cupboard so I should ignore everything they say?

You can't be that dumb. There's a reason they tell people to stand down and in this situation, it couldn't actually be any more fitting: To avoid unnecessary altercations that could lead to injury or death.

He called 911. The POLICE DESPATCHER (actual title of the person he spoke to was Police Communications Despatcher) told him to stand down and avoid conflict.

But nah, you got a gun, he looks a bit shady, time to regulate these punks. Superjudge and executioner to the neighbourhood rescue!

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Actually, no it's not. It was a gated community. It's gated for a reason, because it's private. It's the same as a private beach. It's not the law that anyone can be on a private beach, being that it's private and all.

Wrong again; Trayvon's father lived there meaning he had a right to be there and could walk unimpeded as a family member of a resident. Of course Zimmerman couldn't know that but again, by his own admission, he didn't actually ask.

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Terrible analysis; you're confusing bad legal strategy with flawed justice. It wasn't that they didn't have a case - they had what they needed to mount a good case but they played what hand they did have incredibly poorly. They decided to go for murder, which I don't believe this was, when they should have gone for Manslaughter, then decided make it about character assassination, rather than actually focussing on the facts that Zimmerman admitted, which was that he engaged someone without a real basis for it and brought a gun along with him which resulted in death.

had the prosecution vigorously tied a manslaughter charge to the simple fact that Zimmerman was told to stand down and didn't; that he brought the gun (which goes against every Neighbourhood watch guideline in every state); and that he ended up in a fight when he could have stayed in his car (he wasn't dragged out of his car), I think we'd be looking at a different verdict.

I actually think the Prosecution knew they were on to a winner when the defense went after murder.

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Originally posted by theCheif And example of non-facts would be your assertion that Zimmerman self inflicted those wounds.

Jesus man, I put a wink face emoticon there for a reason

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Originally posted by Bierheld If I were an angsty black kid from a rough neighbourhood and some big brawler type guy gets out of his car to follow me in a place were it's perfectly okay to carry guns around, I'd probably have some difficulty assuming you're just there to parley. It's an all round messed up situation, but if you carry a threatening appearance and consciously seek out confrontation you should also be concious of the fact that people might not act rationally to your advances. It's just not normal in my world to carry a gun to a conversation on the street with a stranger, in fact it's downright scary.

Damn straight, and we shouldn't accept it.

Here's a the pic of Zimmerman that night:



Now tell me, does a 17 year old, skinny boy look less imposing than him?

He's not wearing a block cop uniform, he's got a skinhead, and looks in decent shape.

(But you got to give it to the defense for mass feeding him to make him look pudgy and out of shape. Well played).

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Originally posted by Bierheld Do you only fear people that are bigger then you?

Pretty much

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