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Originally posted by ziptnf To me it seems like you were going to do a Goa mix no matter what the theme was. I'm also not sure why you chose one time period to choose your tracks.

I originally suggested the theme because I thought it was something I could do well with there being lots of tracks I know that strongly evoke it. After I chose goa I decided upon a specific time period because practically anything made before or after that period would've sounded extremely out of place. I've noticed a few goa mixes that were posted here in the past couple of months include newschool goa with a majority of old and it tends to sound very out of place IMO. Newer stuff is either psy focused (more bass focused, focused on fx, less melody overload, differeny dynamics etc) or newschool goa style (more fluffy, far less dark, different style of melody, different dynamics etc).

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Okay, that's fine, but I don't think your mix accomplished what the theme challenge implied. That was my point.

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Fair enough, well there's always the next one.

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i feel like such a dick for not posting any reviews yet, but i've had two deaths in my family in the past couple weeks and it's taken up all my time.... i'll try to get to posting them later this month

e: cheers guys, i didnt want to be *that guy*, i'll make sure to get my reviews in before the next mix

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Originally posted by ziptnf Bierheld - Science Dysfunction I'm gonna kinda ramble here... there's not much I can really say about this set. I enjoyed it. It was trippy and weird. You clearly know what you're doing, especially since I've listened to your mixes before. I guess I just didn't really fully grasp what you were trying to do. Like the ideas were a little too farfetched and over my head. I liked the set, the mixing was perfect and there were some pretty cool tunes. But other than that it just left me utterly confused. It was a little too unfocused. Maybe I need a little more structure in my mixes to fully appreciate them. You kept the theme pretty decently, but sometimes the connection to science fiction was hazy. Maybe a few too many bird and water noises. Great effort though.

Thanks for the review and as always I'm glad you enjoyed it. I am going to ramble back now, so I hope you don't mind.

Firstly I urge you not to overestimate how much this set was thought through or worked out. There are some major problems with the structure, although I don't think it was far off either.
To sketch my case here, at the start of the day where this mix was posted only the first twenty minutes of this mix were set in place, it's all I had to work with. I had music prepared and some loose ideas that were faintly worked out, but that was it. No idea what to do with the structure.

This is very much a work in progress in that sense. I had to instinctively find some resemblance of structure, like doing a live mix without actually being in there enough to get a feel for the flow. This is very much in line with how I usually work on my mixes, I try to actively pull the mix in different directions so that when I listen to it I get a feel for how to structure the mix by identifying areas that are worth expanding on as well as finding the things that need to either be relocated somewhere else or ejected from the mix entirely. I really didn't spend much time or effort in the transitions themselves, functional is good enough for this purpose. It's something I only work on after I have the basic structure in place, as I can then construct them to help with continuity and improving the timing as well as create moments and layers that help crystallize the theme and narrative.

In this case I just ran out of time for that, and had to just go with whatever came out.
When I posted this I had absolutely no idea what it was going to be like, which is why I just assumed the worst given how painfully rushed this was. Having listened to it now though, it turns out that it actually sounds like a real mix, and I am clueless as to how some of the transitions turned out so well. There's some ghastly errors as well although chances are most folk won't really notice em that much unless they really look for them or have some very sensitive equipment.

The direction and structure however never turned into what they were supposed to be.
What was it supposed to be then? Well, when the theme was decided upon I was juggling the thought for a while. I didn't feel like doing any of the deeper spacier type mixes, nor did I want to sketch any sort of fictional socio-political portrait. This was just supposed to be about life, humanity and the desire to explore and satisfy our curiosity. We have proven to be absolutely terrible at predicting the way our societies develop, but what we can do is look and build upon the things that define us in the first place.
This was why I wanted to go for familiar musical concepts that were just a bit queer and out of our grasp. In other words: It's life Jim but not as we know it!

This justifies some of the content in this mix, as there is no reason for the sci-fi world to be devoid of birds or running water. But there was just no time for me to create the whole thing with any coherence. I had to fall back on what I knew, rather then exploring something different altogether which would have clearly been more appropriate.

As for the confusion, I have no clue man. It's true that my mixes generally don't follow rigid structures, I like to find a balance. I don't want to steer the music were it doesn't want to go, preferring to have the tracks carry themselves wherever they want to go. It's really the only thing I can do with music like this, many of the tracks are not really made to be in a DJ-mix, so I try to play to their strengths by properly contextualizing them and looking elsewhere for continuity.

The result is always a very personal interpretation, so much so that I often wonder what other people are supposed to see in it. Some people will have no trouble instinctively finding their way through them, others will be left confused. I am actually trying to work on that problem, but I often find myself guessing as to what works for people or not as it's hard for people to really pinpoint what it is that confuses them or makes them loose touch.
In any case, a major part of my resentment towards this mix has little to do with the actual product itself, which I actually find quite enjoyable apart from having to hear how seriously botched up the ending and some other crucial areas in the mix are.
It's just that I didn't get to settle my urge to create things. It's a massive drain on my enjoyment and creativity which will always hurt the result in some way.

edit - My utmost condolences Jonmitz. Don't worry about us, you can take as long as you want for this.

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Last edited by Bierheld on Mar-10-2014 at 20:57

Psyshell - There's always the next one, and hey not everyone loved everyone else's mix with a 100% rate either. Especially mine. This challenge is all about interpretation.

Jonmitz - Please don't feel obligated to review all of these mixes. Not just one death in the family, but two, absolutely and positively absolves you from all responsibility to need to review these mixes in a timely manner. My sincere condolences.

Bierheld - You definitely did a fantastic job of showcasing your creativity skills, and I totally see what you're saying about how this music doesn't exactly contain the structure necessary for a DJ mix. I think that's why I was able to appreciate the music itself but not understand quite what your approach was or what "story" you were trying to tell, per-se. I think Sand Leaper was relatively successful in creating more obvious atmospheres and environments with his mix structure, even when he wasn't playing dance music. I think this mix could have certainly done something similar, but if you spent a little more time constructing a story like this music is itching to do, you would have made a little more sense to me Excellent work either way though.

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I think sand leaper really nailed that journey concept by taking rigid control of the direction in all the sections and shaping a more slow moving, roomier structure with easily interpretable music.
I don't know if I could skip over so many hurdles in a challenge-length of time, it really depends on my mindset.

Thing is I'm always a bit split on how I want my mixes to be.
I really like a more directed artistic approach such as sand leaper's mix, It's basically to what I was trying to do in my AOTSE mix, and there's another project I've been working on for a while now that is shaping up to carry that stick as well. It takes me a long time to accomplish that though.
Other times I also have a thing for just putting things together and letting the music run loose a bit. The daftness will amuse me for a while but I always feel guilty afterwards because I'm wasting musical potential. My entry here falls under this category, although not voluntarily, but I've made mixes like that before as well.
In my last mix before this, alaé, I tried to marry both concepts which is why it turned into a personal favourite for me.

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No family passings (condolences, jonmitz) to deal with, but my busyness hasn't abated since the challenge ended. I have listened to most of the mixes - and found something to appreciate in all of them - but I'm going to have to replay a couple before laying down some reviews. The mental teacup can only store so much.

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For what it's worth I haven't finished listening to all the mixes yet but I'll post my thoughts on them when I have.

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I've got three more mixes to get through and I'll hopefully be doing that by the end of the week.

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> DI.FM 26th Anniversary Guest Mix [Progressive House]
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> Dance:Love:Hub Afterparty (The Return) 23.11.24

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I found the first half of bierheld's mix to be alright but the second half was pretty nice. There was a nice variety of good tracks and it had an interesting flow. I'd love to hear some more mixes like the second half of his mix.

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Last edited by Psyshell on Mar-13-2014 at 10:47