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Originally posted by T:REBEL [ VIO ] Hey...I'm not trying to bash CD-DJs. I know some of them can mix and skratch better than some vinyl DJs out there. I can operate both, but will stick with vinyl. I think you love your music more if you buy it rather than DLin' songs off of KaZaa and whatever. [ ROOSH ] You're going to get into FINAL SCRATCH? I've haven't played around with it, but it involves computers so it's not for me. Let me know how it goes. I first started spinning with CDs. But like I said, once you go vinyl, you won't go back spinnin' CDs.

no worries mate, i wasn't directing that rant at anyone per se, just to the cd bashers in general. i've used final scratch and it's really cool. it feels just like pressed vinyl, very natural. the only things it's not great for is really fast scratching and back spins. normal scratching is good but if you're really fast then it can have trouble keeping up every now and again. backspins always sound un-natural. cheers.

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some of the unatural sound may be due to the lack of certain frequencies. go to meier audio (just put that in the yahoo search bar) and take a look at the analoguer and the psycoacoustical bass enhancer. just e-mail jan at meier-audio@t-online.de . he doesn't make these things yet. but if there's enough people to push him he may finally put them into production

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Originally posted by MERTON some of the unatural sound may be due to the lack of certain frequencies. go to meier audio (just put that in the yahoo search bar) and take a look at the analoguer and the psycoacoustical bass enhancer. just e-mail jan at meier-audio@t-online.de . he doesn't make these things yet. but if there's enough people to push him he may finally put them into production

the backspins sound un-natural because the record is moving too fast for the system/interface to keep up. these products that you mention sound interesting though.

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oh... in the end then.. i have to vote for cd (or any disc read by laser).. why? no wear and tear. you just need the right equipment to "alter" the sound.

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Burnt CDs versus Wax...



'Nuff said.

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All I've got to say is:
Vinyl's kick major ass. The only con is they can only hold about 20 minutes of music a side. But the pro's is that they sounds better and are more fun.

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Originally posted by MERTON oh... in the end then.. i have to vote for cd (or any disc read by laser).. why? no wear and tear. you just need the right equipment to "alter" the sound.

cds DO suffer from wear and tear - even just being in cd wallets they pick up small scratches- also the club cd players wear out the playing surface...

Vinyl! they always have been and always will be. I will never ever DJ with CDs

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thanx Ste

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Originally posted by Freak cds DO suffer from wear and tear - even just being in cd wallets they pick up small scratches- also the club cd players wear out the playing surface...

Scratches and the like don't affect the sound quality at all. And I've never heard of any cd players wearing out the playing surface?? Just for your information, the "playing surface" is just a thick layer of plastic. The real data lies on an aluminum layer behind it (in the case of pressed cd's), or on a gold layer (if it is a CD-R). CD-players don't destroy this layer, they only shoot light that reflects off of it so they can read the information.

EDIT: but you're right in that scratches can be a problem if it causes the cd to skip (since the scratch in the plastic causes the laser to incorrectly read the information; i.e., if the scratch is deep enough the laser reflects improperly I believe).

EDIT#2: I think that people are incorrectly bringing their "vinyl experience" over to CD's. Since vinyls are so vulnerable to damage and regularly deteriorate in sound quality with every play, people somehow believe the same is true of CD's, even though it isn't. They're digital, so if you can read the information, it will be the same every time; no deterioration. Freak, forgive me if I misunderstood your post!

I would think that Freak meant the surface and not the data. It doesn't really matter where the CD gets damaged, the point is that is does. Splitting hairs springs to mind...
While the pysical reading of a CD wont damage the digital information it is true that vinyl will get ever so slightly worn each time you play it.
It still takes a hell of a lot of plays for vinyl to sound worse than a CD (As sound quality is better on vinyl due to unbroken wave form vs broken). CDs also have this knack of accumulating small scratches that will in time sound like crap if they get deep enough. It's worth noting that the difference in effect on a dancefloor by a scratched CD compared to a scratched vinyl is also different. People will be genuinly distressed at the sound of a CD that jams in one place, where as a scratch on vinyl often causes amusement to those that notice it.

I have seen turntablists using the loop created by a scratched record to great effect in DMC competitions. Something that can't be said for CDs.

Bottom line. I still think that if you limit yourself to one or the other you will loose that creative edge. I can't understand why some people have to be so aggressive to CDs or visa versa. It makes no sense.

Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by Freak cds DO suffer from wear and tear - even just being in cd wallets they pick up small scratches- also the club cd players wear out the playing surface...

Why would a club cd player but not a normanl cd player wear out the playing surface. I have CD's from the 80's that have absolutely no wear and tear on them from being overplayed...whereas everytime you play a record, you damage it.

Spin both and you'll be a much better DJ, end of story....

and for anyone that thinks big DJ's stick to vinyl...
Sharam of Deep Dish's chart for October (notice all the CDRs)
1 UNKLE In A State (Sasha Remix) Mo Wax CDR
2 Dido Stoned (Deep Dish Remix)' CDR
3 Felix Da Housecat Cyberwhore Rude Photo
4 The Greek Alive (G-Pal Remix) Shinichi
5 Communards Never Can Say Goodbye (16B Mix) CDR
6 Cam Farrar Wasted (Override 12) BMG Australia
7 Stephan Luke Waterfalls (Dub) Fat Free CDR
8 Sumo Yes We Will (Chab/Chris & Kai Remixes) Shinichi Test
9 Trafik Your Light (Luke Chable Remixes) GU Music CDR
10 Pierre Raven & Safar Diving Energy (Laurant Wolf & Fliterheadz mixes) Shinichi
12 Tube & Berger Geradeaus CDR
13 D-foundation Signs & Portents (CF's Original Mix) Beatfreak Recordings
14 DK8 Murder Was The Bass CDR
15 Boogie Balo Chocolate & Peanut Butter (Sidekick Remix) Yo Test
16 Theo & Andy Hedges Rumbling Bass Allied Records
17 Psycatron In The Mood CDR
18 Chemical Soldiers Beautiful People Abyss Records
19 David Penn Feat. Sheylah Cuffy Scream 4 Love (Penn's Iberican Remix) Urbana Recordings
20 Justin Timberlake Senorita (Hani Remix) CDR
21 Fingerfest feat. Lule De Ville Chemical Whore Choo Choo CDR

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i think some djs (not big name djs) bash cd use cuz they simply can't mix with cds. Its obvious that mixing with vinyl it's easier; and most djs are too lazy to struggle mixing with cdrs when they can just spin vinyls.