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Originally posted by Zharen Well let's see, 6.3 billion in costs, 4.6 billion in insurance payments, and if he has his way in the lawsuit, he'll get an extra 12.3 billion. So, 16.9 - 6.3 billion = 10.6 billion in profit. Guess he is getting a good deal out of it after all. And I'll meet your with

you forgot about his lost income between the day the buildings fell to the day the WTC opens back up for business

he also had to purchase a 99 year lease in 1998 for $3.2 billion. three years later, guess where that $3.2 billion went? on a barge floating down the Hudson.


it's so hard not to insult and lob ad-hominems at people in this particular thread for some reason. thank goodness for smilies

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Originally posted by Q5echo it's so hard not to insult and lob ad-hominems at people in this particular thread for some reason. thank goodness for smilies

you see my problem!

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Originally posted by Zharen And he also took a record breaking insurance coverage on the towers 6 months before 9/11 and made out with 4.6 billion dollars. You'd think that would be enough for him, but Noooo. Then he goes and sues the airline companies. source: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/27/n...ml?ref=nyregion But hey, if I was making out with 16 billion after 9/11, I'd be very very very very patriotic too...

did we not read the part about him paying 100 million in rent a year without any income produced by the site. pretty good deal.


he is also required to rebuild the site, and at this moment, he doesn't have enough funding to build the site as planned (mind you, he didn't have full control of the rebuiding process). he's not winning in this battle. if i remember correctly, he said that he was about 6 billion short.

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Originally posted by Q5echo it's so hard not to insult and lob ad-hominems at people in this particular thread for some reason. thank goodness for smilies

lol that is why I've tried to stay out of this thread

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Originally posted by ******** THERMITE IS THE CEMENT.. CEMENT IS USED IN THE FOUNDATION.. YOU DON'T NEED DRILLING SINCE THE SUPPORT GIRDERS ARE IN CONTACT WITH THE FOUNDATION. I COULD BE MISTAKEN AS I CAN'T SAY I KNOW HOW THE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN FULL ONLY PARTS OF THIS.

where did you hear that BS?

cement is made of clays, limestone, gypsum, and water. thermite is a composition of aluminium and oxidized metals (aka rust). do you actually research or just post any shit you hear?

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Originally posted by ******** Author: The author of this work, Gordon Ross, was born in Dundee, Scotland. He holds degrees in both Mechanical and Manufacturing Engineering, graduating from Liverpool John Moores University, in 1984. He can be contacted at [email protected]. Try reading the paper. Your net surfing skills are like a longtime anorexic chic. http://www.journalof911studies.com/...ransferRoss.pdf the truth is not meant to be known, only God (not per se the germanic odin like God where the word comes from (as odd as that is calling a YWH "God" the name of another god who hates people worshiping other gods.. yah.) can vouche for truth --- It gets a little confusing though.. because LJM U had name changes... it's name wasnt LJM U until 1992.. his graduating class was 1984.. as such he would have graduated from Liverpool Polytechnic not LJM U - but retroactive degree status would sort of be that way if this were the case. This may be where you could find out if he was a student if they can say... http://alumni.livjm.ac.uk/

degrees are fantastic but he isn't a chartered engineering in the UK.... so while his academic credentials as a MECHANICAL engineer may be valid and good, he does not hold a CHARTER OF ENGINEERING in the UK and hence isnt liscenced to practice engineering or give expert opinion on the subject of engineering.

Liscences are based on area of expertise.. ie a chartered MECHANICAL engineer can be considered for expertise in the field of MECHANICAL ENGINEERING (who have absolutely nothing to do with building design and civil engineering works besides picking out which kind of airconditioner to put on the roof). a chartered CIVIL (structural) ENGINEER can be considered for expertise in the field of CIVIL ENGINEERING (roads, buildings, bridges, etc etc etc) A degree proves that you have passed classes, a charter (or liscence in NA) prove you have experience and competence in oyur field of speciality.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I have 3 hobbies: gaming, DJing & correcting maladjusted fools on the internet.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Yeah, I’d like to know what horrible, scarring incident in your childhood turned you into such an ignorant, intellectual-hating philistine?

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THERMITE IS THE CEMENT.. CEMENT IS USED IN THE FOUNDATION.. YOU DON'T NEED DRILLING SINCE THE SUPPORT GIRDERS ARE IN CONTACT WITH THE FOUNDATION. I COULD BE MISTAKEN AS I CAN'T SAY I KNOW HOW THE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN FULL ONLY PARTS OF THIS.

WRONG!

Dude.... seriously? cement is made of 3 prime ingredients (not including admixtures which i dont need to get into here)

these three things are:

- portland cement (produced by coking limestone into clinker, again i dont need to go into any more detail here for our purposes, but its safe to say it does not include any iron oxide or aluminum)

-Aggregate, in the form of coarse aggregate (crushed stone) and fine aggregate (sand)

-water, reacts with the portland (hydration) and cements all the particles together


Thermite - aluminum powder + iron oxide + heat source = hot hot hot....



notice the two ingredients that ARE NOT FOUND IN CONCRETE AT ALL!

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I have 3 hobbies: gaming, DJing & correcting maladjusted fools on the internet.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Yeah, I’d like to know what horrible, scarring incident in your childhood turned you into such an ignorant, intellectual-hating philistine?

Both of my parents are civil engineers and architechts, so I wouldn't write off their opinions. Not that I gave them much importance to begin with as I don't require external validation to formulate or reinforce views I'm capable of doing myself, but point is that no architect, civil engineer, or structural engineer buys in to a bullshit theory like the pancake theory... plus, there's several other indicators surroudning 9-11 that have nothing to do with engineering or science strongly indicative of internal cooperation with the array of perpertarors involved. Most people have an extermemely oversimplified world view and certainly don't appreciate or understand the concept of power, the underlying complexities, or it's implications.

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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp WRONG! Dude.... seriously? cement is made of 3 prime ingredients (not including admixtures which i dont need to get into here) these three things are: - portland cement (produced by coking limestone into clinker, again i dont need to go into any more detail here for our purposes, but its safe to say it does not include any iron oxide or aluminum) -Aggregate, in the form of coarse aggregate (crushed stone) and fine aggregate (sand) -water, reacts with the portland (hydration) and cements all the particles together Thermite - aluminum powder + iron oxide + heat source = hot hot hot.... notice the two ingredients that ARE NOT FOUND IN CONCRETE AT ALL!

So you took his bait...

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by colonelcrisp WRONG! Dude.... seriously? cement is made of 3 prime ingredients (not including admixtures which i dont need to get into here) these three things are: - portland cement (produced by coking limestone into clinker, again i dont need to go into any more detail here for our purposes, but its safe to say it does not include any iron oxide or aluminum) -Aggregate, in the form of coarse aggregate (crushed stone) and fine aggregate (sand) -water, reacts with the portland (hydration) and cements all the particles together Thermite - aluminum powder + iron oxide + heat source = hot hot hot.... notice the two ingredients that ARE NOT FOUND IN CONCRETE AT ALL!

i don't know what world this ashley dude lives in. he extrapolates whatever he wants from the most inconsequential sources. apparently, he's also a US constitutional law scholar.

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Originally posted by ******** I have a varied response in mind to this and using the nicest language I can and giving an example. I know what type of knowledge you need for a dual degree in Mechanical Engineering and Manufacturing Engineering from the UofA 1. AMAT 217 Calculus for Engineers and Scientists 2. AMAT 219 Multivariable Calculus for Engineers 3. CHEM 209 General Chemistry for Engineers 4. ENGG 201 Behaviour of Liquids, Gases and Solids 5. ENGG 205 Engineering Mechanics I 6. ENGG 233 Computing for Engineers I 7. ENGG 251 Design and Communications I 8. ENGG 253 Design and Communications II 9. MATH 221 Linear Algebra for Scientists and Engineers 10. PHYS 259 Electricity and Magnetism 11. Complementary Studies Course 1. AMAT 307 Differential Equations 2. CHEM 357 Industrial Organic Chemistry for Engineers 3. ENGG 311 Engineering Thermodynamics 4. ENGG 319 Probability and Statistics for Engineers 5. ENGG 317 Mechanics of Solids 6. ENGG 325 Electric Circuits and Systems 7. ENGG 349 Engineering Mechanics II 8. ENGG 407 Numerical Methods in Engineering 9. ENME 337 Computing Tools for Engineering Design 10. ENME 341 Fundamentals of Fluid Mechanics 11. PHYS 369 Acoustics, Optics and Radiation for Engineers Block Course - ENME 001 Mechanical and Manufacturing Engineering Block Course (32 hours) 3rd Year Manufacturing Engineering, regular program and Minor in Mechatronics 1. ENME 421 Materials I 2. ENME 461 Mechatronics 3. ENMF 401 Computer-Aided Design and Graphics 4. ENMF 405 Mechanics of Materials 5. ENMF 407 Human Behaviour in Organizations 6. ENMF 411 Quality Assurance 7. ENMF 415 Integrated Manufacturing Systems I 8. ENMF 417 Manufacturing and Production Processes 9. ENMF 473 Kinematics and Dynamics of Machines 10., 11. Complementary Studies Courses (two half-course equivalents) 4th Year Manufacturing Engineering, regular program 1. ENGG 513 The Role and Responsibilities of the Professional Engineer in Society 2., 3. ENMF 512 Manufacturing Engineering Design Methodology and Application (two half-course equivalents) 4. ENMF 521 Manufacturing Practicum* 5. ENMF 533 Elements of Automation 6. - 9. Technical Electives (four half-course equivalents) 10., 11. Complementary Studies Courses (two half-course equivalents) * Occurs over a 2-week period during the Summer Session. This course may be taken prior to third year (subject to space limitations). Contact department for dates. Note: Students are encouraged to select technical electives from a similar area in order to specialize in a subject stream. The subject streams for the manufacturing engineering technical electives are: Automation (ENME 585, 599, ENMF 503, 505, 513, 515, 529), Manufacturing Systems (ENMF 501, 507, 509, 513, 527), and Design and Manufacturing Processes (ENME 521, 547, ENMF 503, 517). AMAT 307 Differential Equations 2. CHEM 357 Industrial Organic Chemistry for Engineers 3. ENGG 311 Engineering Thermodynamics 4. ENGG 319 Probability and Statistics for Engineers 5. ENGG 317 Mechanics of Solids 6. ENGG 325 Electric Circuits and Systems 7. ENGG 349 Engineering Mechanics II 8. ENGG 407 Numerical Methods in Engineering 9. ENME 337 Computing Tools for Engineering Design 10. ENME 341 Fundamentals of Fluid Mechanics 11. PHYS 369 Acoustics, Optics and Radiation for Engineers Block Course - ENME 001 Mechanical and Manufacturing Engineering Block Course (32 hours) 3rd Year Mechanical Engineering, regular program and Minors in Mechatronics and Petroleum Engineering 1. ENME 421 Materials I 2. ENME 461 Mechatronics 3. ENME 471 Heat Transfer 4. ENME 473 Fundamentals of Kinematics and Dynamics of Machines 5. ENME 479 Mechanics of Materials I 6. ENME 485 Mechanical Engineering Thermodynamics 7. ENME 493 Machine Component Design 8. ENME 495 Fluid Mechanics 9. ENMF 417 Manufacturing and Production Processes 10., 11. Complementary Studies Courses (two half-course equivalents) 4th Year Mechanical Engineering, regular program 1. ENGG 513 The Role and Responsibilities of the Professional Engineer in Society 2., 3. ENME 538 Mechanical Engineering Design Methodology and Application (two half-course equivalents) 4. ENME 585 Control Systems 5. ENME 599 Vibrations and Machine Dynamics 6. - 9. Technical Electives (four half-course equivalents) 10., 11. Complementary Studies Courses (two half-course equivalents)

Ok, so you have found a standard 4 year curriculum for an engineering program.

Now let me reiterate..... the engineering education is there to provide background.... not experience


ah fuck it... ill just go out and say it like it is. when you graduate, the first thing you learn is that you know jack shit. The expertise of an engineer is learned through practice which generates a wealth of experience. It is this experience that tells us what works and what doesnt, what will fail and what will hold up etc etc. the degree is only the first step.

That being said... now time to adress some of shaolin's irks with engineers. engineers are masters of practicality and application. Theory is great but physicists couldn't get anything done.... they would spend 15 years arguing over the atomic interaction between a nut and a bolt.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I have 3 hobbies: gaming, DJing & correcting maladjusted fools on the internet.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Yeah, I’d like to know what horrible, scarring incident in your childhood turned you into such an ignorant, intellectual-hating philistine?