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Dj Flesch
Supreme tranceaddict



Registered: Aug 2001
Location: Indianapolis, USA

quote:
Originally posted by emono
i like your criteria

perhaps, though
you should change 'effects' to 'creativity' and give it more points
also,
'sound quality' should be taken into consideration, when it comes to crackling and skipping;
however,
stick to 'any medium is accepted' when it comes to the actual quality of the recording/stream. you would leave some of us in disadvantage if you counted a 56k upload against us, going vs., i.e., 192kpbs.




on a more general note,
i think submitting tracklistings for each challenge might be a good idea. it gives us some perspective into the mixes.


Thank you for your comments! I already have creativity included in the originality section. I don't label the categories excessively, but I really try to include everything that I can pick out that is judgable.

I do take crackles, hisses and pops in to consideration, because if you spin vinyl, you should damn well take care of it! If not, then use a prog. to eliminate that stuff during silence. This IS stuff that you can control if you clean your records; use vinyl cleaning kits to help increase the fidelity (like gruv glide). If you were to submit that kind of stuff professionally, it is a huge disadvantage, IMO. Sound quality is one of the criteria that I feel is important for Djs, so I judge it. Don't forget it is only 5 pts, and I do try to take everything possible into consideration (ie modem uploads). But I would certainly count against you if you uploaded something in 24kbps. How do you expect me to even tell if a transition is beat matched if I can't hear it accurately? I think that for modem users, stick to 128kbps and 30 minutes set times. Either that or find another format other than MP3 that takes up less space. I can play WMA and Ogg Vorbis too, or you can find another connection. hell, you can mail me a CD, plenty of people have done that before.

As far as tracklists, I don't want to see them as a judge or contestent. This way as we compete, we keep those tracks that are ours, ours. If we share tracklists, then there is no real advantage that a dj can have other than mixing skills, and that can get pretty tight sometimes. If people want to PM them or ask individiual tracks, then be my guest, but I don't think that we should be required to post our trackilists. I don't want every mix to be the same!


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Nrg2Nfinit
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Registered: Sep 2001
Location: Ottawa

tracks skipping should be judged.. since it is an error in mixing.. you should know your tracks

and recovering froma skip will probably give you more points fromt he judge.. it just shows more skill i guess


hehe it happend to me in my challenge yesterday

i really like your judgeing criteria flesch

really good! maybe it should be the mode from now on.. or we can use hte judgeing system from the TA mixing comp

we definately need to start having more than one judge for the mixing comp just to get a more opinionated result!

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Luke Terry
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Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Newcastle upon Tyne
Cool

quote:
Originally posted by Dj Flesch
I do take crackles, hisses and pops in to consideration, because if you spin vinyl, you should damn well take care of it! If not, then use a prog. to eliminate that stuff during silence. This IS stuff that you can control if you clean your records; use vinyl cleaning kits to help increase the fidelity (like gruv glide). If you were to submit that kind of stuff professionally, it is a huge disadvantage, IMO. Sound quality is one of the criteria that I feel is important for Djs, so I judge it. Don't forget it is only 5 pts, and I do try to take everything possible into consideration (ie modem uploads). But I would certainly count against you if you uploaded something in 24kbps. How do you expect me to even tell if a transition is beat matched if I can't hear it accurately? I think that for modem users, stick to 128kbps and 30 minutes set times. Either that or find another format other than MP3 that takes up less space. I can play WMA and Ogg Vorbis too, or you can find another connection. hell, you can mail me a CD, plenty of people have done that before.


promoters don't give a shit as long as the vinyl isn't totally fucked and they can hear whats goin on. many like to hear it to see that you are actually playing vinyl and not just a load of cds or an mp3 mix, that could even be sequenced. also, i have many vinyl that have a fair amount of noise on them even when they are new and played first time, for example my copy of ultimate wave is rather clicky. the ladder and the mixes are about the dj skills, not how well they can master their mix.

my tracklist if any1 cares:

01 Afterburn - Frattboy
02 Darren Christian - Temporal
03 Smiter - Both Places (John Johnson Remix)
04 Monoboy - The Music In You (Oliver Klein Remix)
05 Kamaya Painters - Wasteland (Chab Remix)
06 Arrakis - Aira Force (Lemon8 Remix)
07 Oakenfold - Southern Sun (Gabriel & Dresden Remix)
08 Tiësto & Junkie XL - Obsession

no practising, made up as i go along, most of them also being oldish vinyl also meant quite a bit of noise. before the mix i hadn't heard 1 2 3 4 or 7 all the way through before lol.


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xKaoSx
I need more cow bell !!



Registered: Jul 2002
Location: San Diego, Ca.

quote:
Originally posted by Project T
promoters don't give a shit as long as the vinyl isn't totally fucked and they can hear whats goin on. many like to hear it to see that you are actually playing vinyl and not just a load of cds or an mp3 mix, that could even be sequenced. also, i have many vinyl that have a fair amount of noise on them even when they are new and played first time, for example my copy of ultimate wave is rather clicky. the ladder and the mixes are about the dj skills, not how well they can master their mix.

my tracklist if any1 cares:

01 Afterburn - Frattboy
02 Darren Christian - Temporal
03 Smiter - Both Places (John Johnson Remix)
04 Monoboy - The Music In You (Oliver Klein Remix)
05 Kamaya Painters - Wasteland (Chab Remix)
06 Arrakis - Aira Force (Lemon8 Remix)
07 Oakenfold - Southern Sun (Gabriel & Dresden Remix)
08 Tiësto & Junkie XL - Obsession

no practising, made up as i go along, most of them also being oldish vinyl also meant quite a bit of noise. before the mix i hadn't heard 1 2 3 4 or 7 all the way through before lol.


My list- just so everyone knows what he was talking about. LOL
normally we shouldnt do this but it was so detailed.

01. James Holden - Solstice (Original)
02. Deep Funk Project - Blackwitch
03. Shmuel Flash - Chilling Moments (Bedrock)
04. Main Element feat. Kyla - Take Me Down(Lemon 8 Remix)
05. Powerplant - With or Without You (blackwatch remix)
06. Luzon - Manila Sunrise (Markus Schulz remix)
07. Sasha - Cloud Cuckoo (Luke Chable Remix)
08. Cirque - You Are (Dub)


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Luke Terry
tranceaddict oldskool



Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Newcastle upon Tyne
Cool

btw kaos, do i have another challenge with u or not?


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xKaoSx
I need more cow bell !!



Registered: Jul 2002
Location: San Diego, Ca.

quote:
Originally posted by Project T
btw kaos, do i have another challenge with u or not?


No- thats it mate- we cant challenge again for 7 days

I have a challenge to NRG and been challenged by tommy


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Luke Terry
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Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Newcastle upon Tyne
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okies

i have none atm, w00t w00t.


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xKaoSx
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Registered: Jul 2002
Location: San Diego, Ca.

quote:
Originally posted by Project T
okies

i have none atm, w00t w00t.


You could always challenge someone else.

You can have one challenge out and be challenged.


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Nik Novo
Supreme tranceaddict



Registered: Apr 2003
Location: Munich, Germany

quote:
Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
tracks skipping should be judged.. since it is an error in mixing.. you should know your tracks

and recovering froma skip will probably give you more points fromt he judge.. it just shows more skill i guess


lol - what do skill and a skipping cd (usually resulting from a reading error by the cd player) have in common? ^^


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xKaoSx
I need more cow bell !!



Registered: Jul 2002
Location: San Diego, Ca.

quote:
Originally posted by DJ NGE
lol - what do skill and a skipping cd (usually resulting from a reading error by the cd player) have in common? ^^


Well - Flesch's judging his own way- its not a template or anything- All judges will judge different.

Speaking of which- I need a judge for live tonight in TA -
6-7 pm Pacific time? If not we'll just record.


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Nik Novo
Supreme tranceaddict



Registered: Apr 2003
Location: Munich, Germany

quote:
Originally posted by xKaoSx
Well - Flesch's judging his own way- its not a template or anything- All judges will judge different.

Speaking of which- I need a judge for live tonight in TA -
6-7 pm Pacific time? If not we'll just record.


i don't have a problem with that, but judging a skipping cd (which you can't avoid) has nothing to do with skill.

btw. tranceaddict247 and i need a judge ^^ *g*


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xKaoSx
I need more cow bell !!



Registered: Jul 2002
Location: San Diego, Ca.

quote:
Originally posted by DJ NGE
i don't have a problem with that, but judging a skipping cd (which you can't avoid) has nothing to do with skill.

btw. tranceaddict247 and i need a judge ^^ *g*


Ill judge you peeps-
Just upload to the ftp in a folder called KaoS and name your files mix1 and mix2
you two figure out who is who. lol
Ill post results when im done.


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