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Originally posted by Cyrus King Where did Israeli's come from??? Israelites were always there??? haahhahhah

Well lets see,what makes more sense out of the following:
1.My great great great...Grandfather was born in Spain\Russia\Poland and than decided he wants to travel to the hot sun of the middle east cuz he always dreamt about living in a desert,then his grandchildren has decided to go to Israel because they are Jaws even though they has never been to Israel.
2.My great great great...Grandfather was borned in Israel,than got exiled to areas near Israel as it says in the bible and in like 1000000 history books and than after houndreds of years people from my family seed where coming to Israel - the place where the tradition and the religion came from the begining.

Hint:its not 1

Im saving myself a lot of headaches by seeing Israel as a trophy,many people fought for this trophy,won it and than had troubles defending it,According to the bible(the most primery history book) Jews were here first and somewhre in between,the Arabs(wtf is pal" beck than) were staying here as a result of wars and fightings and than we came along,played the game and won it again - thats the whole story basicly and im sure that you European guys can find areas with thousends of people who moved to diffrent country controls in the last 100 years alone and thats only because some form of the UN said so,so what is the diffrence when it comes to Israel?

Other than that i dont think that Arafat's death will affect the "peace process" around here because i think that even if he wanted peace he could'nt control his people\terrorists and until there will be a leader who wants peace,who can make the Pal" united 4peace and who can actually control these people speaking about weather Israel should try harder or do diffrent things etc. is not importent nor relevent. - first the Palestinians should get to that bridge and than cross it.
In the meanwhile we cant stand around holding our dicks in our hands and waiting to be dead,i beleive we are doing the best that we can to defend ourself and we keep it pretty moral compared to other armies.

P.s: according to the UN the Palastinen terretories quility of life is ranked about 40 places before the quility of life of the Parsians so i guess that even if the Pal" had a country they would'nt know what to do with it.

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Originally posted by Viber Well lets see,what makes more sense out of the following: 1.My great great great...Grandfather was born in Spain\Russia\Poland and than decided he wants to travel to the hot sun of the middle east cuz he always dreamt about living in a desert,then his grandchildren has decided to go to Israel because they are Jaws even though they has never been to Israel. 2.My great great great...Grandfather was borned in Israel,than got exiled to areas near Israel as it says in the bible and in like 1000000 history books and than after houndreds of years people from my family seed where coming to Israel - the place where the tradition and the religion came from the begining. Hint:its not 1 Im saving myself a lot of headaches by seeing Israel as a trophy,many people fought for this trophy,won it and than had troubles defending it,According to the bible(the most primery history book) Jews were here first and somewhre in between,the Arabs(wtf is pal" beck than) were staying here as a result of wars and fightings and than we came along,played the game and won it again - thats the whole story basicly and im sure that you European guys can find areas with thousends of people who moved to diffrent country controls in the last 100 years alone and thats only because some form of the UN said so,so what is the diffrence when it comes to Israel? Other than that i dont think that Arafat's death will affect the "peace process" around here because i think that even if he wanted peace he could'nt control his people\terrorists and until there will be a leader who wants peace,who can make the Pal" united 4peace and who can actually control these people speaking about weather Israel should try harder or do diffrent things etc. is not importent nor relevent. - first the Palestinians should get to that bridge and than cross it. In the meanwhile we cant stand around holding our dicks in our hands and waiting to be dead,i beleive we are doing the best that we can to defend ourself and we keep it pretty moral compared to other armies. P.s: according to the UN the Palastinen terretories quility of life is ranked about 40 places before the quility of life of the Parsians so i guess that even if the Pal" had a country they would'nt know what to do with it.

This is a good post. I don't agree with it fully but a good start for a debate and exchange of ideas.

Thank you for contributing to the debate in a well-throughout manner.

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Viber,

Who lived in the area outside Israel first??


Jews or Arabs??



Who lived in the area outside of Israel during 1850-1944 ??

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are they going to burn his body? cus itd be really cool if he put a bomb inside himself and suicide bomb the enemy. i saw it on Ripleys Believe it or Not

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Originally posted by Dave Piazza Viber, Who lived in the area outside Israel first?? Jews or Arabs?? Who lived in the area outside of Israel during 1850-1944 ??

It doesnt matter who lived in the area outside Israel even though they were arabs and some jaws here and there.
It doesnt matter cuz The jaws were exiled to those really big areas by empires that you can call them arabs i guess,so IMO there is no timelimit for morality and stealing lands or whatever.
just because Jews were exiled and done wrong before 1940 doesn't make it right so if Jews are taking lands that should belong to some arab control or whatever they are sure doing it in a better way without exiling the arabs here to diffrent locations and by killing and terrorizing 4no reason but revenge and racism(leave the bullshit and a some 5 rednecks soldiers aside you know what i mean).

I read once that in 1850-1910 about 15,000 jews were deported from Israel...
And again: just because in 1850-1944 the arabs had a majority does'nt mean that somewhere in history other empire had a majority and that of course jews had majority before and i guess that if the Arabs will take control of Israel,be the majority again and steal lands from jaws in 200 years from now than Jaws will again be the underdogs and people will want to remmember only that in one day there were more jaws in Israel than arabs and thats why its not OK to take control of those terretories.

But i see myself as a realistic person and i think that everyone should forget all of the "who was first" stuff cuz its a circle with no ending and such circles are useless as Aristo said.
We should start worrying about starting a solution where in the end of it Israel and Palestine will have no connection between them besides being happy neighboors but i also think we are far from it because important factors which take alot of time like building a powerful leadership,unity and education for peace @ the palestinians are missing and that why were fucked.

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Originally posted by Viber It doesnt matter who lived in the area outside Israel even though they were arabs cuz the jaws were exiled to those really big areas by empires that you can call them arabs i guess so IMO there is no timelimit for morality and stealing lands or whatever. just because Jews were exiled and done wrong before 1940 doesn't make it right so if Jews are taking lands that should belong to some arab control or whatever they are sure doing it in a better way without exiling the arabs here to diffrent locations and by killing and terrorizing 4no reason but revenge and racism(leave the bullshit and a some 5 rednecks soldiers aside you know what i mean). I read once that in 1850-1910 about 15,000 jews were deported from Israel... And again: just because in 1850-1944 the arabs had a majority does'nt mean that somewhere in history other empire had majority and that of course jaws had majority before and i guess that if the Arabs will take control of Israel,be the majority again and steal lands from jaws in 200 years than Jaws will again be the underdogs and people will want to remmember only that in one day there were more jaws in Israel than arabs and thats why its not OK to take control of those terretories. But i see myself as a realistic person and i think that everyone should forget all of the "who was first" stuff cuz its a circle with no ending and such circles are useless as Aristo said. We should start worrying about starting a solution where in the end of it Israel and Palestine will have no connection between them besides being happy neighboors but i also think we are far from it because important factors which take alot of time like building a powerful leadership,unity and education for peace @ the palestinians are missing and that why were fucked.

Can you please re-write this response? I can not understand what you're saying, honestly.

And when you say Jaws do you mean Jews???? Because I was reading your response and I was like what the fuck does Jaws have to do with this I was thinking maybe he is making some kind of clever analogy ? But judging from your poor spelling and grammar I think it was a typo

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Originally posted by Dave Piazza Can you please re-write this response? I can not understand what you're saying, honestly. And when you say Jaws do you mean Jews???? Because I was reading your response and I was like what the fuck does Jaws have to do with this I was thinking maybe he is making some kind of clever analogy ? But judging from your poor spelling and grammar I think it was a typo

nahh
its 4am and im tired,i suspected about the Jaw thing but i said "what the hey,theyre all on dope anyway"

Wow... this thread went really off topic. I would have to agree with Dave for a lot of things. especially with

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Attacking personal character is the last debating method of a person who can not debate the issues.

How many times was the term cocksuckers used?

R.I.P Arafat

I read it again and what i wrote seems logical to me,try reading it again but put some effort into it!

good nite good fight!

RIP Arafat


and VIVA PALESTINE

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