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Beethoven
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: DJ is NO SKILL ???

quote:
Originally posted by Psy-T
i already know you do, cretin. i asked you why you look at the dj.


LOL

you are asking a strange question here.

if there is any GREAT DJ performance. just take an example of Armin Only - Ahoy Rotterdam. people from Singapore, Russia, Romania, America and etc went there to see the DJ Armin.

now i ask you, why these people dont just buy the DVD and Armin's cd compilation? it will cost a lot more cheaper right.

Its a normal thing that a live performance can be a lot more powerful than cd. People can go crazy with it.


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Are you even trying to make sense anymore?


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Beethoven
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Originally posted by Raveaddict19
So, this has been an interesting thread I must say, and something I wrestle with in my own mind all the time actually, but to the point, I myself am a musician. I play a variety of musical instruments in college, various groups and bands, as well as two orchestras- viola, percussion (ie. marimba, snare, drumset etc.) bass, guitar, piano...and a few others here and there.

Now I've also been a DJ for 2+ years now, and have had a few residencies under my belt as well as spun at some of the biggest events my sad sad little town has had to offer. The reason I state this is so my position might seem to have some credibility, but damnit what I'm getting at is it is indeed an excellent question- Is a DJ a musician???

My answer? A DJ is as much of a musician as he makes himself. Like ANY instrument, you can play it, but not everyone plays an instrument MUSICALLY. Contrary to belief of some, I think that harmonic mixing ESPECIALLY in EDM is a MUST with no exceptions. In order to understand the transition and make it in the most musical way possible, things like phrasing (32, 64 etc) keys and harmonics, all are absolute necessities to seperate oneself from being an ass eating pizza and smoking while jumping up and down in their underwear to 'The Other Side' in their bedroom, and making music really happen and come alive.

DJ'ing is also unique because a musical side of it comes from actually something not typically found in other intsruments, and thats when performing, reading a crowd and directing the music in a sense towards a goal or peak or whatever the desired direction is.

Point in case is that DJ'ing is as musical as you make it, fortunetly for those that take it seriously, the majority of DJ's and even some professionals DONT take it in that mindset, and hence forth will be easily blown away by some of the very musical DJ's on this very forum like Stu Cox and Paullino and Nem. NOT ONE DJ in my area cares to take the time to consider keys or anything in their work, and everytime I step up to mix, they scratch their heads wondering why their 'Dancin' accapella in F# minor sounds like ass over something in Ab minor...of course they dont even know that much, but thats the point. Not to mention the fact if ANY of us plan to produce melodic music of any kind...it is a need to know in order to make something musical. While music can in fact be dissonant, bad music is bad music and a lack of knowledge typically lead to ass productions.

Take a listen http://www.myspace.com/doublepenetrationgr

That is one of the biggest DJ's in my area who runs the ONLY dance music radio in all of western Michigan....now maybe some of you think its great...however any musical aspect of the track has been slaughtered by a mere lack of knowledge and I think it really shows. Whats amazing is that someone like this can have such a position and such power over those in the area who really take the extra steps to really start making music

I in fact pity those who do not take their craft seriously and expect such epic things to come of their career when they have'nt put in the simple work to truly understand it.

Sorry for the ass of a long post


Nice.


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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: DJ is NO SKILL ???

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Originally posted by Beethoven
LOL

you are asking a strange question here.

if there is any GREAT DJ performance. just take an example of Armin Only - Ahoy Rotterdam. people from Singapore, Russia, Romania, America and etc went there to see the DJ Armin.

now i ask you, why these people dont just buy the DVD and Armin's cd compilation? it will cost a lot more cheaper right.

Its a normal thing that a live performance can be a lot more powerful than cd. People can go crazy with it.


live performances can indeed be more 'powerful' than cds, mostly because they give an appropriate context for the music - not because there's some guy in the dj booth jumping around like he's having his first experience with ecstasy.


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Beethoven
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quote:
Originally posted by Beethoven

Most musician is trapped by the timeline. They hardly can step forward. DJ is always looking for something new and special. This makes a lot different.


quote:
Originally posted by paulandrews
This is utter bullshit, itīs the other way round. Please stop posting before you hurt yourself.


No. I think you are a bullshit. You dont get what i mean. in this post, what i really mean in musician is like the oldiest musician. unlike the composer of country song, oldiest, etc etc. in this post, what i really mean in DJ is the one who compose trance music, goa trance, progressive, techno, etc etc.

of course a DJ always try to make something new, even most of them are not but the proof is there are a lot of subgenre these days. DJ is the one who invent HIP-HOP, techno, drum n bass, house, electro-house, neo-trance, hard house, and many more. the invention is not by the musician, but by the DJ's.


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quote:
Originally posted by Beethoven
the invention is not by the musician, but by the DJ's.


What?

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Beethoven
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Originally posted by Salegon
DJ is NO SKILL !!!


in live performance i think so.


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Beethoven
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quote:
Originally posted by Salegon
DJ is NO SKILL !!!


in live performance i think so.


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quote:
Originally posted by Salegon
DJ is NO SKILL !!!


in live performance i think so.


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quote:
Originally posted by Beethoven
if you think that sitting, standing, walking and drinking milk is an art. then you must be an idiot. go away from me.


I know ur never gonna get this. But I didn't say everything is art. I said anything can be art.

I know u won't get it, but maybe somewhere along the line when ur mind matures a little u might get it, or when u get better knowledge of english or the harm that drugs do to you.

What a load of shit, "something standard can't be art". Afterall, what is a portrait? What is the mono-lisa? It is merely a painting of someone's face. BUt it can be very special. You think it was just mono-lisa the woman itself that was special, or the artist that painted it? WHy?

think hard. Try to fire a brain cell if you can.

I"m not saying that anything and everything is great in the art-world. It's to each his own, which is the main point i'm trying to get across here. Art is just a thought. Art for one person may not be art for another.

TO each his own OK? Art is just a concept, a thought.

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quote:
Originally posted by Beethoven
No. I think you are a bullshit. You dont get what i mean. in this post, what i really mean in musician is like the oldiest musician. unlike the composer of country song, oldiest, etc etc. in this post, what i really mean in DJ is the one who compose trance music, goa trance, progressive, techno, etc etc.

of course a DJ always try to make something new, even most of them are not but the proof is there are a lot of subgenre these days. DJ is the one who invent HIP-HOP, techno, drum n bass, house, electro-house, neo-trance, hard house, and many more. the invention is not by the musician, but by the DJ's.


You still donīt know what youīre talking about or youīre still using wrong terms or you canīt properly explain what would you like to say. Most probably all of that.


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Mr.Mystery
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quote:
Originally posted by Beethoven
of course a DJ always try to make something new, even most of them are not but the proof is there are a lot of subgenre these days. DJ is the one who invent HIP-HOP, techno, drum n bass, house, electro-house, neo-trance, hard house, and many more. the invention is not by the musician, but by the DJ's.

What the fuck?

The DJ's don't "invent" anything, they just play what other people have done.


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