I like Iran. Ahmadinejad talks a lot of shit, I like him too. I believe both Iran and Ahmadinejad will come out of this situation on top.

Maybe a war with Iran will be the straw to break the camels back when it comes to tolerance of the USA. I wouldn't mind having a few countries kicking our ass, we need the reality check, this includes American society (The majority of people in the US think only 10,000 iraqi's have died since 2003). I'm starting to care less and less about this country. We've reached our plateau, and we've been declining for a while, now. A short period of time for an empire considering most empires last a hell of a lot longer than we have.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Fine, stop trying to justify what Iran is doing by what the US may have/has done. And exactly what "ethical right" do I not have?

I don't recall trying to justify anything;

I just made a statement, and you are reacting very heatedly to it because it hit home in a way that you're uncomfortable with.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby I don't recall trying to justify anything;

Hmmm...

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Damn right! Similar to how the US signed the Geneva Conventions and would never even think of using torture for personal means.

Could you explain what that means if you're not trying to say that the US does it, so why can't Iran?

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I just made a statement, and you are reacting very heatedly to it because it hit home in a way that you're uncomfortable with.

Hit home in a way I'm uncomfortable with? You'll have to explain that one too. If "heated" means that I'm posting a viewpoint opposed to yours, I guess you're right. But that's also what I call a debate.

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The Iranian Government says it is ready for any scenario in its nuclear row with the West, even war. Iran's student news agency, ISNA, reports one of the deputies to the foreign minister made the comments at a conference in the central city of Isfahan. "We have prepared ourselves for any situation, even for war," Manouchehr Mohammadi said. "If they issue a second resolution, Iran will not respond and will continue its nuclear activities. Iranian President Mahmood Ahmadinejad said Iran will not back down from mastering the technology to make nuclear fuel.

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Guess they're at least being as undiplomatically a big a pain in the ass about it as the yanks normally are when it comes to any kind of negotiating.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Hmmm... Could you explain what that means if you're not trying to say that the US does it, so why can't Iran? Hit home in a way I'm uncomfortable with? You'll have to explain that one too. If "heated" means that I'm posting a viewpoint opposed to yours, I guess you're right. But that's also what I call a debate.

I was trying to point out the ridiculous nature of you attempting to justify to yourself whatever it is you seem to believe by utilizing treaty-breaking as the central fulcrum to your belief.

I was merely pointing out that your delusion works both ways.

By the way, what's my viewpoint? I don't recall stating one, so I don't know where you're coming up with this?

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby I was trying to point out the ridiculous nature of you attempting to justify to yourself whatever it is you seem to believe by utilizing treaty-breaking as the central fulcrum to your belief. I was merely pointing out that your delusion works both ways. By the way, what's my viewpoint? I don't recall stating one, so I don't know where you're coming up with this?

Well, I guess if in my delirium I'm trying to justify a viewpoint that you're not even sure of, and you don't even have a viewpoint, there's not much to debate.

Just to clarify my viewpoint: if a nation breaks the bylaws of a treaty it signed and/or continuously defies the mandates of an international organization it belongs to, something needs to be done. What another country may or may not have done in that regard has absolutely nothing to do with that. Unless you're trying to rationalize the faults of one nation with the previous faults of another.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Well, I guess if in my delirium I'm trying to justify a viewpoint that you're not even sure of, and you don't even have a viewpoint, there's not much to debate. Just to clarify my viewpoint: if a nation breaks the bylaws of a treaty it signed and/or continuously defies the mandates of an international organization it belongs to, something needs to be done. What another country may or may not have done in that regard has absolutely nothing to do with that. Unless you're trying to rationalize the faults of one nation with the previous faults of another.

So what is it that should be done (in your opinion)?

And also, do other nations recognize the same circumstances as how it is potentially propagandized in the US?

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby So what is it that should be done (in your opinion)? And also, do other nations recognize the same circumstances as how it is potentially propagandized in the US?

Diplomacy, sanctions, action. In that order.

By the way the UN and other countries are reacting, I'd say so. Again, I don't believe military action is justified at this point. However, if Iran continues on their path of world defiance in light of such a grave issue, that time might come.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Diplomacy, sanctions, action. In that order. By the way the UN and other countries are reacting, I'd say so. Again, I don't believe military action is justified at this point. However, if Iran continues on their path of world defiance in light of such a grave issue, that time might come.

Time for invasion? You must be kidding me. What kind of threat do they posses anyway?

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Originally posted by star-traveller Time for invasion? You must be kidding me. What kind of threat do they posses anyway?

If it can be shown that they have nuclear weapon capabilities, a big threat.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono If it can be shown that they have nuclear weapon capabilities, a big threat.

Iran having a nuclear capability = a thread

IS A BIG FUCKING joke created and keep being sold by Western news media.