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Keep in mind that's a white goy from European descent they're dehumanizing and throwing stones at there. It should tell you a little something about how they treat those semitic sand****** goyim. Ashkhenazi's aren't even semites, yet they scream "anti-semite" when anyone is critical of their lovely terrorist state and brutal tactics.

The problem is that these videos rarely ever get the attention they deserve. Can you imagine if the Jews were on the other end of the rocks? There would be headlines for days about how they're victims and that everyone wants them "wiped off the map".

My sarcastic remark was due to the fact that people love to generalize how hateful and barbaric the Muslims are, but can never attribute those characteristics to anyone else (the Jews, and yes I am generalizing).

The soldiers don't even make an attempt to stop this behaviour, and even try to stop the girl recording the video. They sure set a wonderful example on how that type of behaviour is alright, since there is obviously no punishments for it.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Thank you for your contibution to this thread, yes, I actually didnt consider how Jews are brainwashing their kids so bad ... throwing stones, hate speeches, threats, and Israeli military doing little. HEY YOEPUS, WHAT DO YOU SAY NOW, HUH?? THIS VIDEO IS NOT AN ISOLATED INCIDENT, BTW. ITS AN EXAMPLE OF EVERYDAY VIOLENCE, BUT THE VIDEOTAPES OF VIOLENCE against Israelis are not confiscated by Israeli army ... imagine how many videos never got to see the light, these soldiers were just nice.

I could attempt to rationalize this, but what's the point with the lot of you?

Anyone who can understand hebrew sees how trivial and harmless this situation is. Indeed, if it was the US the soldiers (were they actually to have police powers, which they don't, they were called there because an Arab boy was sneaking around that area previously to the 'internationals' arrival) the internationals would be arrested/detained for disturbing the peace.

Of course, the Israeli soldiers there don't understand english (at a point in time, one ask the women if she speaks german or russian) and that is not uncommon, especially with soliders who get these nice unpleasent jobs.

not of course that we have any real understanding of the time or place (perhaps it is in Israel proper, ya know pre 1947 area?) this event actually happened.

oh well, theres no point with you all.

Down with the Jews, up with the Arabs, if only Israel was gone, all are troubles would be solved

Its ok Magnetonium, I'm sure internationals were treated much better in your chechnya, huh? Oh wait, not even daring international journalist decided to go there, did they, let alone some British do-gooders on vacation?

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Lira, I'm surprised you haven't made this thread yet...

So yea, if you have some story/video related to the title, post it in here and we can stop flooding the board with lots of similar threads.

I'll start us off...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6405799.stm

Last Updated: Wednesday, 28 February 2007, 19:05 GMT

Star-crossed lovers quit West Bank
By Matthew Price
BBC News, Jerusalem

She is a 26-year-old Jewish Israeli. Her name is Jasmine Avissar. He is a 27-year-old Palestinian Muslim, Osama Zaatar.

Jasmine and Osama's is a love story, and it tells you so much about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

They met when they worked at the same place in Jerusalem, and three years ago they got married.

First they tried to live in Israel, but the Israeli authorities would not allow Osama to join his wife there.

Then they tried living in the occupied West Bank, but some Palestinians made life difficult for them.

Now they've given up and are moving to Europe.

Strangers

"We ran out of choices of finding any solution to live in either Israel or Palestine," says Jasmine as she packs her bags.

"We were naive and thought we could win this fight but we can't. So we have to go abroad and start a new life."

Jasmine already has permission to go. Osama hopes to follow her soon.

We go up onto the roof of their village home. The sunlight is so harsh you have to squint to look at the view.

Stone walls hold earth terraces onto the hillsides, olive trees hundreds of years old are dotted across the landscape.

"I feel like a stranger here," says Osama. "Even in my homeland. This place is a holy land, but they're killing each other. It's like it's already a lost cause."

"Here there's no chance. I just want to start again."

Under investigation

They are an almost unique couple.

Neither Israeli nor Palestinian society has accepted their marriage.

On Jasmine's Israeli passport, it still says her marital status is "under investigation".

"Our marriage was a human thing. We just fell in love," says Jasmine. "The society around us is making it political."

"I feel like a refugee. The moment I decided not to be part of the mainstream I was told that I was not a part of my country anymore."

A taxi turns up, and Osama helps Jasmine with her bags.

The drive takes them through occupied Palestinian lands. They pass a tall grey Israeli army watchtower. They drive through army checkpoints.

Israel has been in control here for almost 40 years.

Given up

"Even here in Osama's homeland I am superior as an Israeli," says Jasmine, as she looks out the window.

"It's easier for me to move around. The soldiers let me through checkpoints. They don't arrest me like they might arrest Osama."

Jasmine has given up on her own country.

"Jewish people were abused for thousands of years, but my nation has switched from being victims to being abusers.

"That's hard for me to acknowledge. The Jewish people are occupiers now, and we are racist."

The car arrives at a final checkpoint.

We stand next to it, and Osama tells me why he has also given up on his own people.

"There were threats. People said if I brought my wife here we'd be in danger. Even my friends said that. They say I am a traitor."

"It makes me wonder whether I want to be a Palestinian any more. Some see me as some sort of Israeli envoy. It's a shit feeling."

Seeking safety

They turn and walk the short distance to the checkpoint that leads out of the West Bank and into Israel.

They put down their bags, and hug one another. There's a short kiss.

I ask Osama what he hopes for from his new life.

"I want to be able to walk in the street and not be stopped by the Israeli army or police. I want to feel safe. I have never felt that."

Jasmine smiles. "I just want to be a normal couple, with normal problems about rent, and money. I don't want to have these huge gigantic problems interfering in our marriage."

Even now though they are not quite free.

Osama cannot go through the checkpoint with Jasmine. They don't know when he will be able to join her in Europe.

They are still a couple caught in the middle of the Israeli Palestinian conflict.

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Pretty much summarizes the whole situation.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King i listen to trance becuase it is beautifully composed like a classical piece of music.... but with beats in it...

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I hardly if ever acknowledge sarcasm from a person I dont know because I ran into serious problems on an undisclosed buying website before.

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Originally posted by Yoepus I could attempt to rationalize this, but what's the point with the lot of you? Anyone who can understand hebrew sees how trivial and harmless this situation is. Indeed, if it was the US the soldiers (were they actually to have police powers, which they don't, they were called there because an Arab boy was sneaking around that area previously to the 'internationals' arrival) the internationals would be arrested/detained for disturbing the peace. Of course, the Israeli soldiers there don't understand english (at a point in time, one ask the women if she speaks german or russian) and that is not uncommon, especially with soliders who get these nice unpleasent jobs. not of course that we have any real understanding of the time or place (perhaps it is in Israel proper, ya know pre 1947 area?) this event actually happened. oh well, theres no point with you all. Down with the Jews, up with the Arabs, if only Israel was gone, all are troubles would be solved Its ok Magnetonium, I'm sure internationals were treated much better in your chechnya, huh? Oh wait, not even daring international journalist decided to go there, did they, let alone some British do-gooders on vacation?

you must admit there's something wrong with the parenting when kids are launching rocks at elderly ppl?

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Originally posted by Cyrus King i listen to trance becuase it is beautifully composed like a classical piece of music.... but with beats in it...

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Originally posted by Magnetonium I hardly if ever acknowledge sarcasm from a person I dont know because I ran into serious problems on an undisclosed buying website before.

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Originally posted by Yoepus Down with the Jews, up with the Arabs, if only Israel was gone, all are troubles would be solved

No man, they won't. Up with the people, that includes the Arabs and Jews, and down with these assholes people call "leaders" and their sick agendas.

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Originally posted by Dopey you must admit there's something wrong with the parenting when kids are launching rocks at elderly ppl?

Of course but what is to be expected of people who move their children from the peace and tranquility of the USA to the certain insecurity of a Jewish encampment in a hostile Arab village?!

These people aren't the sharpest knife in the tool shed by a long shot.

Then again, many American teenagers I know don't seem that different to thos ein the video

I just don't think its representative of most anything.

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Please stop spamming and post in the other thread. You already requested a title change, and it ain't going to happen. That's was the whole point of that thread, the title and what it implies.

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Originally posted by XaNaX Whats funny is how your map forgets to mention that Israel's land area increased because of areas they occupied after defeating the Arab armies that attacked them.

Well, this response was quite appropriate:

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Originally posted by venomX Well why dont you whip out MS paint and show us those territories they annexed that way. I do believe they weren't attacked from inside their territories, and these maps only show Israel/Palestine not any other countries.

But I guess I should add, so what if it were the other way around? Does military defeat entitle you to the loosers property? What kind of twisted code of ethics do you have? And do you not expect the deprived civilian population to be quite pissed off and bitter about it afterwards? Does that in any way contribute to a peaceful solution? What the hell do you think is fueling this "conflict" in the first place? And how are foreigners entitled to the land of the indigenous population? Because they suffered terrible attrocities in WW2 so that somehow legitimizes them carrying out similar attrocities against someone else? What school of logic did you go to?

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Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
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Originally posted by Justkillingtime The problem is that these videos rarely ever get the attention they deserve. Can you imagine if the Jews were on the other end of the rocks? There would be headlines for days about how they're victims and that everyone wants them "wiped off the map". My sarcastic remark was due to the fact that people love to generalize how hateful and barbaric the Muslims are, but can never attribute those characteristics to anyone else (the Jews, and yes I am generalizing). The soldiers don't even make an attempt to stop this behaviour, and even try to stop the girl recording the video. They sure set a wonderful example on how that type of behaviour is alright, since there is obviously no punishments for it.

Don't worry man, I understood that your comment was sarcastic, especially after your clarification.

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Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

Actually, the first thread I've ever merged was about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, and it eventually became a monster thread.

There is one thread about the Palestinian Condition, and this article could easily fit there. The threads about the Middle East are a bit difficult to merge because of the amount, actually, reason why I'm not doing it that often yet (I need to understand what is what more clearly).

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Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller