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Originally posted by infinity HiGH I, for one, disagree. I dunno why but I just can't seem to convince myself into thinking that there isn't other intelligent life out there. Space is just too big for it.

I agree. There has to be life out there somewhere, but:

1) It's one thing for a planet to be able to support any kind of living organisms at all.

2) It's another thing for those living organisms to be actually intelligent.

3) It's another thing for those living organisms to be intelligent enough to do more than just live on instincts like animals do.

4) It's another thing for those living organisms to be intelligent enough to conquer travelling faster than the speed of light (theoretically speaking).

5) And finally, it's a whole other thing for those living organisms to travel to Earth out of the billions of other planets in the universe.

The further down this list you go, the less likely it becomes, I'd say 1-3 are somewhat likely, but at point 4, the probability drops SIGNIFICANTLY, and at #5 it's minuscule. I mean like REALLY minuscule. Taking that into account, believing that in 40 years we had hundreds of occurrences that have absolutely minuscule probability of happening is a gigantic stretch of imagination.

Hey look, I developed an argument without making any gigantic assumptions or relying on the testimony of others. The best possible counter-argument has to be anecdotal testimony of others.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH I, for one, disagree. I dunno why but I just can't seem to convince myself into thinking that there isn't other intelligent life out there. Space is just too big for it. Guess we'll never really know though.

I think you misunderstood...I am a firm believer that there is other intelligent life out there.

I wouldn't be surprised though if it was proven we are the only intelligent life in the universe.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur I agree. There has to be life out there somewhere, but: 1) It's one thing for a planet to be able to support any kind of living organisms at all. 2) It's another thing for those living organisms to be actually intelligent. 3) It's another thing for those living organisms to be intelligent enough to do more than just live on instincts like animals do. 4) It's another thing for those living organisms to be intelligent enough to conquer travelling faster than the speed of light (theoretically speaking). 5) And finally, it's a whole other thing for those living organisms to travel to Earth out of the billions of other planets in the universe. The further down this list you go, the less likely it becomes, I'd say 1-3 are somewhat likely, but at point 4, the probability drops SIGNIFICANTLY, and at #5 it's minuscule. I mean like REALLY minuscule. Taking that into account, believing that in 40 years we had hundreds of occurrences that have absolutely minuscule probability of happening is a gigantic stretch of imagination. Hey look, I developed an argument without making any gigantic assumptions or relying on the testimony of others. The best possible counter-argument has to be anecdotal testimony of others.

Probably the best statement in this entire thread.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced I wouldn't be surprised though if it was proven we are the only intelligent life in the universe.

Such a thing is impossible to prove, as we cannot observe the entire universe and even if we could we'd be observing things from thousands of years ago.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced I wouldn't be surprised though if it was proven we are the only intelligent life in the universe.

Also depends on what you define "intelligent life" as. We all agree that we know barely anything about the universe. For all we know there are other more intelligent beings out there that are just beyond our comprehension, a'la Stanislaw Lem's Solaris

So I watched "out of the blue" last night and I must say they present some compelling evidence.

What got me the most was the "sighting" in Pheonix in 1997. When you have hundreds of eye witnesses telling the same story independantly from each other one has to take notice.

I wouldn't say I'm a "believer" or a "non believer". I've learned over the years that one should always have an open mind to new thoughts and ideas but also treat anything you hear with skepticism - whether its from 'trusted sources" or not.

What I really don't understand is why people automatically revert to "your a kook" or a "conspiarcy nut" when this topic comes up. Because really all you prove is that your either afraid of the unknown or too close minded to accept views that are outiside of your little box.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard and even if we could we'd be observing things from thousands millions of years ago.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Are people really this fucking stupid? Oh, and they want to "get our attention" by flashing lights at us. Because that's so much more effective than, oh, I don't know, talking to us. Yes, that makes perfect sense. These hyperintelligent beings who crossed the galaxy to visit our pathetic primitive race simply haven't quite mastered the art of verbal or written communication, so instead they choose to communicate by playing pranks on drunks in trailer parks.

Very well put.

I will always believe that the day the human race comes into contact with ET's is the day that we achieve deep space travel.

Way things are going, that ain't happening.

IF a species wants to fly around the universe at ridiculous speeds, they need to know better than fucking themselves over again and again with greed and lack of empathy. And if they grow to be that intelligent, other ET's would know not to make contact with them so they can figure out on their own, or else there would be no point.

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Originally posted by Time2Burn What I really don't understand is why people automatically revert to "your a kook" or a "conspiarcy nut" when this topic comes up. Because really all you prove is that your either afraid of the unknown or too close minded to accept views that are outiside of your little box.

*high five*

So spot on.

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?do...gG0hamPDQ&hl=en

This is probably one of the most interesting videos I've seen on the subject because it involves statements from high ranking (and low) individuals of every single branch of the military and intelligence agenencies, from CIA to NASA.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Probably the best statement in this entire thread.

OK, what!? I made that exact same argument earlier and actually considered all of the variables:

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Originally posted by DigiNut There is a significant progression of claims between what you just said and aliens visiting our planet with UFOs: - Life exists on other planets. (almost definite) - Multi-cellular organisms exists on other planets. (very likely) - Highly-organized beings exist on other planets. (probably) - Sentient beings exist on other planets. (maybe) - Sentient beings who are at a much more advanced stage of development than us exist on other planets. (ehhh...) - Advanced sentient beings exist on distant planets and have (a) mastered faster-than-light travel, (b) found methods to halt the aging process, and/or (c) have natural lifespans of thousands of years. (ummm...) - Hyper-advanced sentient beings capable of interstellar travel exist and are interested in and committed to searching for civilizations nowhere near their current stage of development (only on Star Trek). - Hyper-advanced sentient beings have already mapped out most of the galaxy or universe and have somehow managed to find us and have taken an interest in us before falling victim to war or catastrophe (getting more than a little far-fetched now) - Aforementioned beings have done all this and have chosen to make contact with us... by flashing lights in the sky and performing air stunts. (huh?) Also, the probability argument ignores the time dimension. The universe is billions of years old; our civilization is nowhere near that, and it's entirely possible that there have been other advanced, sentient civilizations, or will be, but that they don't/won't exist during the period of human existence (face it, we won't be around forever).

I hate to quote myself but come on... seriously.

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