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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Indeed. I do not believe that people should in effect be forced to lie down for injustice in the hope that the police will eventually solve everything, while you do. In any case, this is not about "me me me," nor is it even always about "the individual" in every case. It is about not having to submit to thugs who think that they should be able to intimidate people, harm them, and do whatever they please regardless of the law.

Wow, easy there dark knight or anyone would get hurt.


The problem is that the concept of "thugs" can be easily distorted...like from the scum who is trying to steal you (and because he/she steals you he/she must be shot...), to the foreigner who earns a lot of money, to the spoiled classmate and rich bully, to the cops, to the goverment...(plus many more) they are all potential "thugs" and you can be the judge with the gun!...

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originally posted by Zild If I recall correctly the number on the left was the number of deaths per 100,000 and the number on the bottom was the percentage of gun ownership, so to get a percent from that you divide the number for the country by 100,000 then multiply by 100 to get percentage.

What? i don't get it...divide which number by 100.000, the homicide rate you mean? In scotland mean gun carriage is around 2% and homicide rate is also around 2 murders per 100.000, whereas the mean gun carriage in the USA is 35% and the mean homicide rate is 10 per 100.000. Now Scotland can be low but the mean rates for Europe as a whole are still not much higher. Is that difference lower than 0.1?


Notice that the rate describe USA as a whole and therefore the mean-rate of homicides and the percentage of gun-carriage could be much larger in some areas than others making the results skewed. So some states would contribute much more and others much less.

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Originally posted by diggerz For a more 'educated' and 'formal' opinion you should ask someone from the East Coast or the Midwest, all I'm saying is don't let a few form an inaccurare scenario of how other states approach such issues

Translation: anyone who agrees with you is "educated," anyone who disagrees must be a Southern rube who lives in a trailer and dropped out of high school.

More of the typical condescending attitude that comes to the surface when this topic is discussed.

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Originally posted by Zild Exactly. The fact he thinks he's more educated makes me laugh my ass off.

well, I am and It's not my fault. I also study at an American University with a very prestigious business school. Just so you know, my mom is a US Resident and my sister a US citizen. The fact that I currently live and plan to live here in the future ( as in reality, life in America is piece of cake compared to other places) gives me the right to express my opinion.

Also, I graduated from an I.B Accredited British High Shool with a 3.6 GPA. I'm completely fluent in two languages and I've lived in europe.

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Originally posted by PETRAN What? i don't get it...divide which number by 100.000, the homicide rate you mean? In scotland mean gun carriage is around 2% and homicide rate is also around 2 murders per 100.000, whereas the mean gun carriage in the USA is 35% and the mean homicide rate is 10 per 100.000. Now Scotland can be low but the mean rates for Europe as a whole are still not much higher. Is that difference lower than 0.1? Notice that the rate describe USA as a whole and therefore the mean-rate of homicides and the percentage of gun-carriage could be much larger in some areas than others making the results skewed. So some states would contribute much more and others much less.

Right divide the number of deaths by 100,000. For example 100.000/100.000 * 100% = 100% using that formula for the countries you used which is pretty much exactly what I did you come out with .01% for USA and .003% for Scotland. The difference then is .007% or seven thousandths of one percent.

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Originally posted by diggerz I'm completely fluent in two languages

American and British?

NICE!

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Originally posted by diggerz well, I am and It's not my fault. I also study at an American University with a very prestigious business school. Just so you know, my mom is a US Resident and my sister a US citizen. The fact that I currently live and plan to live here in the future ( as in reality, life in America is piece of cake compared to other places) gives me the right to express my opinion. Also, I graduated from an I.B Accredited British High Shool with a 3.6 GPA. I'm completely fluent in two languages and I've lived in europe. Me > You

The only thing that keeps us from going the exact same university is that I don't want to live in Austin. Or did you forget that I also went there which entitles me to go back whenever I want? Sorry but I don't know quite what your problem is. And I'm not going to get into a pissing match with my HS GPA or test scores . LOL @ business school You know who went to Bschool? President Chimpy and he's not more educated than anyone.

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lol these threads always turn out exactly the same.

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Originally posted by XaNaX lol these threads always turn out exactly the same.

No joke.

A couple Americans argue for gun ownership, then everyone else disagrees, posts a few statistics, and starts calling the pro-gun people hicks, idiots, and primitive.

yes, plur but focus. some people get upset about stuff like this over here, threads like this trigger a reaction, it brings really strong feelings out of people. There are tons of other places for this, srsly