I´ve found that the best buffer setting for me is 512 samples. Having more than that
will not give me better performance. I can use 256 samples as well, but when the project grows
I need to go for 512. There is more or less no audible lag between I play a note on my synth, and hearing the
processed sound from my speakers.
Though, when I wanna go "über audiophile" I go for 2048 samples

(ps: latency has zero to do with audioquality, sorry. It´s only a gauge of how shitty your
audio interface is.)

Mac mini 1.83ghz, logic 8, tc electronic konnekt 8.

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Originally posted by Beyer latency has zero to do with audioquality, sorry. It´s only a gauge of how shitty your audio interface is.

and/or computer and/or the composer. in this case we have all three chains being shitty: running 35 z3tas (bad composing) on a 2003 laptop (bad comp) with a realtek soundcard (crappy audio'face), ofcourse he has problems, its triple bad factor.

35 z3ta isn't bad composing. And I don't use a laptop. And my sound chip is better than your soundcard. Triple wrong. Heh.

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u clearly posted that u use realtek onboard sound? or was it a lie? u also posted that u didnt need sound at all, you could just render it and upload it to the internet as mp3. how is the soundquality, no wait, renderquality on that when u never had the chance to monitor it? i wonder how it would sound, a render of 35 z3tas without the composer have listened to it at all before the render. It will be ok i guess as ur using 4096 samples.

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Originally posted by palm u clearly posted that u use realtek onboard sound? or was it a lie? u also posted that u didnt need sound at all, you could just render it and upload it to the internet as mp3. how is the soundquality, no wait, renderquality on that when u never had the chance to monitor it? i wonder how it would sound, a render of 35 z3tas without the composer have listened to it at all before the render. It will be ok i guess as ur using 4096 samples.

What?

Onboard sound can be better than a card, just like onboard video can be better than a card. For instance Geforce 9600 Onboard is better than a Geforce 8600 PCIe. What sound card do you have and we can gauge its worth against mine.

As for not needing a sound card..no you don't. Ive used a PC with no sound card, copied the finish .flp to it and made a .wav render. Obviously, I had to hear it before hand on the composition PC. I never said I make music without hearing the sound... When I copied the .flp it didn't need to be monitored, because the mixing and mastering was done already. It was time for render and release. Yeah, you can mix and master in the sequencer..who knew?

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Originally posted by cronodevir Hey, You said exactly what I said. Thanks for Re-Hashing my words. Just goes to show, people like to argue with me, whether I am right or [lol] wrong. Latency improves audio quality, and it has no effect on render quality. That's all there is. There isn't some other quality of something that I don't know about. There is the quality of the sound before render [audio quality], and the quality of the sound after render [render quality].

Did I say that? I said it depends how you define audio quality. Most discussions occur when both teams are right, but on different levels (btw, hence I hate politicians, they'll never get this). You are right in that it does better soundquality, according to your defintion of soundquality. Palm is right that it doesn't affect soundquality, according to his definition of soundquality. But what is not a question of definition, is that latency does affect render-quality.

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and the quality of the sound after render [render quality]

Render quality is not the quality of the sound, it is the quality of the rendering process. Or is that a question of definition as well?

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Originally posted by lenieNt Force Render quality is not the quality of the sound, it is the quality of the rendering process. Or is that a question of definition as well?

Same shit. A render process is used to produce the final render, which has a certain quality about it.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Same shit. A render process is used to produce the final render, which has a certain quality about it.

Yea.. so your definition of render-quality is the quality of the sound it renders, not the quality of the actual rendering process.

All good

I'd guess palm's definition of render-quality is the latter. Both right, different levels. See? Or are u politicians?

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Originally posted by lenieNt Force Yea.. so your definition of render-quality is the quality of the sound it renders, not the quality of the actual rendering process. All good I'd guess palm's definition of render-quality is the latter. Both right, different levels. See? Or are u politicians?

Like I said, people like to argue. I don't know what the problem was in the first place. I post something, someone posts what I say with different words, yet claims it is contrary to what I said...fighting ensues. That is 100% of all argument I have been involved in.

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Cronodevir, you sir are the village idiot.

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Originally posted by cronodevir What?

Exactley.

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Originally posted by cronodevir Of course, Infinite Recession Fallacy destroys that theory.

what the fuck is that? i googled it and the first result is some Thread you posted in on toribash forums..

if i put quotes around it, it's the ONLY result... so far this theory isn't looking very credible

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Originally posted by cronodevir What sound card do you have and we can gauge its worth against mine.

its not necesery as u already said u have to run it at 2048 to be able to handle the data going to the chip. also there are physicals laws when it comes to good quality on the parts of the DAC, its just not possible on a 1*2*1cm chip. The powersupply alone is probably better in a external soundcard than whats inside a computer.