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Originally posted by david.michael I guess that's just how I feel about samples.

fair enough

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Originally posted by owien other then good and clever arrangement i cant see how a producer hopes on having their own sound if the dont stop and try to create it.

I have my own sound too, and that is not by creating everything from scratch, but by using the sounds that i like whether it be presets, self programmed sounds, analog synths or a collection of samples. It doesnt matter, what matters is that it is the sounds i want in my tracks.

In the end the only thing that will determine how unique your tracks will be is in the producers head.. there is absolutely nothing more to it.

I program a lot of my own sounds these days, but drums is something i would never program myself.. why ? because its impossible to create even a fraction of the drum sounds you find in various sample packs.
Sure some percussions sounds are doable, but most will never ever sound like the real thing.

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Originally posted by Subtle I have my own sound too, and that is not by creating everything from scratch, but by using the sounds that i like whether it be presets, self programmed sounds, analog synths or a collection of samples. It doesnt matter, what matters is that it is the sounds i want in my tracks. In the end the only thing that will determine how unique your tracks will be is in the producers head.. there is absolutely nothing more to it. I program a lot of my own sounds these days, but drums is something i would never program myself.. why ? because its impossible to create even a fraction of the drum sounds you find in various sample packs. Sure some percussions sounds are doable, but most will never ever sound like the real thing.

I endorse this 1000%! I can't even respond to the clown any further because he exploded my brain from the stupidity.

He needs to realize it's respectable that he makes all of his own sounds but people have their own reasons and styles of making music. The only thing that makes music intriguing is your fucking brain. No synth, no sample pack, and no daw/hardware. Please understand that, it's very fucking simple.

The reason people have all ganged up on him is because he's stating their work is shit because of how they go about creating it (utterly bullshit). The problem here is he's claiming his way is superior to everyone elses yet refuses to post anything proving he can even make an ADEQUATE track with his methodology, let alone something that blows everyone elses away in originality and engineering.

He needs to understand that some of us do this all the time every day all year. Doing so we have TONS of ideas that come into our heads. Those ideas change fairly quickly so it's important to get them down. Once they're down then you deal with changing sounds and finalizing everything. I can easily say more producers then not enjoy the creation and composition of ideas into tracks; not the engineering of them. This makes their tracks no worse or better than yours; all that matters is what it sounds like when it is complete. Things like percussion even if you synthesize your own are identical to samples! Why? Because a synthesizer is not a fucking bass drum/congo/bongo/hi hat/clav/etc!

And because I didn't make this statement to him directly I don't have to reply to his stupid retort talking about "witch" and "bole" LOL

I have no problems with the typos/misspellings because I assume that English is not his first language. If that's the case, I think we should all cut him some slack there and focus on the real issue.

I'm fine with others making music however they want based on their own ideals, but his reasons for applying his ideals to others is fundamentally flawed. Did Beethoven, Bach, Mozart, etc. create entirely new sounds or insist on using new and original instruments that haven't been heard before? Of course not, yet somehow they managed to create truly original and great masterpieces that most would agree have had pretty good longevity.

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Originally posted by owien i'm stayin at my parents so i will post up some of my shit when i get back to my own home

Looking forward to listening.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

Please stop feeding the idiot!

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Originally posted by cryophonik I have no problems with the typos/misspellings because I assume that English is not his first language. If that's the case, I think we should all cut him some slack there and focus on the real issue. I'm fine with others making music however they want based on their own ideals, but his reasons for applying his ideals to others is fundamentally flawed. Did Beethoven, Bach, Mozart, etc. create entirely new sounds or insist on using new and original instruments that haven't been heard before? Of course not, yet somehow they managed to create truly original and great masterpieces that most would agree have had pretty good longevity.

well i'm sorry if i look at my work as being more then just tunes.

and as crazy as this may sound i treat my tracks as something worth hearing time and time again much like classical music. because that's where my talent lies.


back when the likes of beethooven,mozart ect were making music was a very different time. and i know what you're driving at,back then they just made the best songs they could with what was made.

right on but sorry this is a completly different time a time where so much shit sounds the same a time when we have the pleasure of making almost anything we want or hear in our heads.

i'm in the process of writing and creating a Synthphony in fl ffs why because i dont want to limit myself and once done would of opened my eyes to new areas of music i never new of before and on top of that i have the skill of pulling it of.
not because im a wanker or up my own ass no its because i want to break the standerd formats and have my shit seen for somthing differnt hopefully.

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Originally posted by Zild Please stop feeding the idiot!

please stop posting

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Originally posted by owien please stop posting

Please eat at dick!

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Originally posted by owien well i'm sorry if i look at my work as being more then just tunes.

There's no need to apologize for how you look at your own work - it's the forcing of your personal creative ideals on other people that is problematic.

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Originally posted by owien back when the likes of beethooven,mozart ect were making music was a very different time. and i know what you're driving at,back then they just made the best songs they could with what was made.

Sorry, but you're dead wrong there. There were a LOT of instruments available when the great Masters were composing their work that they didn't use. They chose to work within the limitations of certain instruments and orchestral arrangements. The same concept applies to music made today, whether it's neo-classical orchestral music or rock-n-roll. Limiting one's self to existing instruments or sounds, whether it's a guitar or a kick drum sample, does not preclude one from creating something that is original.

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Originally posted by owien right on but sorry this is a completly different time a time where so much shit sounds the same a time when we have the pleasure of making almost anything we want or hear in our heads.

Just because we can make any sound imaginable doesn't mean that everybody should, or that it will be better than anything else, or that other people will want to hear it.

With that, I'm done with this thread. It's been an exercise in futility from the get-go.

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So I'm curious, if a trance/house/breaks producers uses a live, original recording of a vocalist and/or instrumentalist (say guitar, with some pedals), does that count as talent, or does the producer have to synthesize his own guitar and vocals?

What if it's not original material, but there are so many effects and cuts that it's not even recognizable as the original material? Isn't that effectively a form of synthesis?

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