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Originally posted by oceanlab why do you think whatever sounds good is true?? There are plenty of things that are impossible...can you eat with your ass and shit out your mouth????? note: peewee hockey coaches should never be quoted.

WOW the American media and propaganda has worked brilliantly on you, please continue to believe everything they feed you. Yes we need mass armies to protect us from Evil right?
Please rid Canada of your stupidity, assimilate and become an American.

Not only is it NOT impossible to resovle issues non-violently but it has BEEN DONE!
I need only mention one name, GHANDI
have you forgotten about him and others like him?
Instead of putting great men like Ghandi in government, we assasinated them.
There is an alternative answer/method to everything.....we just tend to choose the simple answer....in this case war.

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Originally posted by dEsidEL it's funny how some of you guys are arguing over the way to go about this war and at the same time both pro-war and anti-war protesters have clashed in violence .. everything seems to be a microcosm of something else ..

If you look closely it was the pro-war who initiated the verbal conflict with the anti-war protesters........surprising? I think not.

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Originally posted by DJLocoMoco If you look closely it was the pro-war who initiated the verbal conflict with the anti-war protesters........surprising? I think not.

it is evident in the following threads :

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...&threadid=97050

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...&threadid=97036


and of course....this thread itself....

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Originally posted by dEsidEL hey the US has weapons of mass destruction too .. after this i'm sure Iraq will attack the US and launch "Operation American Freedom" to free them from the Bush oppressors..

The US do have weapons of mass destruction but they haven't taken over any country such as Iraq had done to Kuwait. When they lost the gulf one the many resulotions for surrender was that Iraq could no longer contain/build weapons of mass destruction. Which they have done serveral times. War is going to happen in this world and people do die, that's a shame. Also Saddam is an opressor, for example he places anti aircraft on top of apartment buildings,and will have his Repubilican guards shoot anyone trying to leave the building during an air raid. He needs to get out asap. And in whole the middle east needs democracy , Iraq being the first. By the way Bush isn't an opressor just oil hungry pig******.

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Originally posted by oceanlab no, not kapish that is another false statement...how do you know what EVERYONE supports and doesn't support do you know anything about the psychological states of nations, or global polling data? YOU KEEP SAYING THINGS WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE TO BACK THEM UP...it just makes you look like the idiot shouting "peace, peace" for no reason other than to fit in.

Ahem...I think i'm more inclined to believe and have respect for an idiot who is shouting "peace, peace" then a pretentious intellect who has fallen hook, line and sinker for everything the US media has reported on the justification of this war. You have said that a regime change is responisible for making sure that the weapons of mass destruction are not there. Are you aware that the US tried something similar in Iran a few decades back and it all went sour ? If memory serves me correct the US has a history of invading countries and setting up puppet regiemes which prove to be no better then the supposed 'authoritarian one's' they are removing...except for the fact that they have the US to thank for bringing them to power (something i'm sure the US Goverment will remind them when it comes time to releasing the oil wells that they have already seized).

Yes, Saddam is a dictator...he's been one for the last 20 years (or however many he has been in power). Just because he's a dictator doesn't mean his country should have to bear the brunt of an invasion. Don't you understand, the war will be over...Saddam will be hidding out in some cave like that other coward, and the only thing the Allies of the world power will have to show for it is the ghastly images of a war torn Baghdad where the streets will be stained with the blood of the innocent. If it was a simply case of a sygerical strike to remove Saddam i don't think the world would care...hell, send in a covert black ops team to assisinate him and see how many peace rallies are held...none, because people acknowledge he is an evil man...but this isn't about good and evil, and it's not about security or weapons of mass destruction...it's about oil, it's about an economy in recession and ultimately it's about US fears that someone out there is getting ready to obliterate them.

I'm sure you're going to retort by challenging my intelligence, and you may be right, i don't know as much about this war then you...and i might have studied in Canada and not the States...but i'm happy to be one of those idiots who screams "Peace, Peace" rather then, "Bombs and War !!! ".

Peace.

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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee do u really think that peace will be achieved after regime change??? have u even thought about what could be the backfire of this war??? how much terrorist activity will increase??? do u know why terrorists target USA for all their activity??? answer that

I think Al-Queda,Iraq and Afganhistan got the point not to try anymore terriost attacks on the states.I think if any country is associated with any more terriost attcks on the US, that country will be bombed tens more than Iraq. If I was president of the usa, I would taken all the money off of Bin Laden's family to pay for the victims family.

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Originally posted by sexy_manbeast I think Al-Queda,Iraq and Afganhistan got the point not to try anymore terriost attacks on the states.I think if any country is associated with any more terriost attcks on the US, that country will be bombed tens more than Iraq. If I was president of the usa, I would taken all the money off of Bin Laden's family to pay for the victims family.

the key word is 'if' and seeing how Bush got into power, it shouldnt be too hard if u try, afterall these days u cant try someone for ballot tampering if they have enough contacts....

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I would just like to add something that I found interesting in an interview conducted on CityTV with a Professor of Political science at York University.

He mentioned that one of the reasons Saddam came to power in Iraq was because the US actually supported his party (though I don't know if Saddam was a member of the party at the time) because the opposition wanted to nationalise oil (I don't remember the party names), and of course the US didn't want this so they supported Saddam's party.

Funny how the country that helped bring the man into power is now trying to get rid of him.

He also went on to mention that Saudi Arabia's regime is in SOME cases just as bad as Iraq's. Yet because they are "friends" with the US its ok right?

"Project Iraqi Freedom" my ass, the US is just using this regime change excuse to cover up the real reasons behind this war.

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I suggest you all read this:
http://theinsurgent.net/index.php?v...rticle=usterror

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Originally posted by sexy_manbeast The US do have weapons of mass destruction but they haven't taken over any country such as Iraq had done to Kuwait. When they lost the gulf one the many resulotions for surrender was that Iraq could no longer contain/build weapons of mass destruction. Which they have done serveral times. War is going to happen in this world and people do die, that's a shame. Also Saddam is an opressor, for example he places anti aircraft on top of apartment buildings,and will have his Repubilican guards shoot anyone trying to leave the building during an air raid. He needs to get out asap. And in whole the middle east needs democracy , Iraq being the first. By the way Bush isn't an opressor just oil hungry pig******.

was Iraq the only country to do this .. ? if not then what of the other countries ?

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Originally posted by DJLocoMoco WOW the American media and propaganda has worked brilliantly on you, please continue to believe everything they feed you. Yes we need mass armies to protect us from Evil right? Please rid Canada of your stupidity, assimilate and become an American. Not only is it NOT impossible to resovle issues non-violently but it has BEEN DONE! I need only mention one name, GHANDI have you forgotten about him and others like him? Instead of putting great men like Ghandi in government, we assasinated them. There is an alternative answer/method to everything.....we just tend to choose the simple answer....in this case war.

yes you are completely right...at Georgetown they taught us to only look at one side of every conflict and to not read foreign newspapers. I can argue your dumbass side all day long as well...but this is what I believe in. I believe that people have a right not to live in fear. Saddam = fear.

also, you answered your own questions with the Ghandi remark. If you preach only peace then you have defensive capability. Any thug can come a long and force you from your country or kill you. Maybe if the Dalai Lama had the US military at his back, Tibet would still be a country. There are lots of injustices in the world, the weaker you are, the greater the chance that someone will take advantage. You can try to remain at peace, but to an extent. Once you cross that line, you are more weak than you are peaceful. The weak do not survive, unless someone wants to start disproving Darwin for me.

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Originally posted by sexy_manbeast If I was president of the usa, I would taken all the money off of Bin Laden's family to pay for the victims family.

they are trying to do that as we speak, and have been for over a year now, taking the terror funds that is

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