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Originally posted by RebeL9 actually Ory got a point. if you look at the todays "uprising" trance stars that are discovered on ASOT they all seem to follow the same pattern. They are all young guys sitting with a downloaded (well most of) version of Reason and producing tracks in their bedrooms. Their main aim is to get on ASOT and get whored there. That is still OK for some reason. But then when the artist becomes popular among the ASOT whores he suddenly have to start DJing. For example Envio, Filo & Peri etc. Just because you can make a good production doesnt automaticly make you a good dj. And then the clubowners book these "uprising" stars and prints largely on the label "ENVIO". Though no one have ever heard Envio dj before they rate him high as hell just because he had one tune on ASOT which was popular. This is really really cheap. Note Envio is just an example. There are loads of other producers which did the same.

anyone who thinks dj-ing takes skill is a total retard.

usually its the producers who are most experimental and unique when it comes to djing, becasue they know about effects, structures, and loads of other technical shit that ur average dj does not. if u go listen to like mikey mike or Az's mixes in the ameteur dj forum they are shit. just one track then the next waiting till the very last minute to bring the next track in. I have been producing longer than i have been djing, i have only been djing for 2 or 3 years. but i make a point of being different when it comes to djing. using loops, acapellas, fx, mixing tracks in keys which complement each other ( i take the time to update my database with the key of each track i have at a certain tempo... im sure many djs do this, but alot do not. at the end of the day mate, if you think that there is more to djing than producing then you have no idea. producers get booked because clubbers these days like to see the guys who actually make the music, not just some idiot who gets paid to play other peoples. sure there are probably producers who learn to dj in a week and then get booked but who do u see complaining (apart from you?) people go see them because they like the music they MAKE. it pisses me off so much when "real djs" bitch and moan about "producer djs" just because they tend to get more gigs and better gigs than those "real djs"... let me tell u something mate... the djs who dont do anything apart from play other peoples music are the ones you should be moaning at, not us.

When I play at gigs with other djs, it is almost always the producer djs who impress me most, alot of exclusive tracks, lots of clever mixing and key mixing, lots of live mashups, etc etc etc... the only thing that they often cant do (i cant do it to save my life) is scratching. But whenever a dj scratches in a club it sounds wank if you ask me. the only person ive seen who can make it sound good is zabiela, who to be honest is in a different leauge to any of us altogether.

on the other hand u have u guys who dont produce and just think u are the shit for playing other peoples music. if you think you deserve to get booked all round the world to do so, but the people who actually make the music dont deserve to, then you need to go sort your head out. if you dont wana see the producer djs dont go see them, until they get pretty big they dont make much money from gigs, ive done plenty of free gigs in the past simply because i fucking love doing it. its an amazing experience which those who are lucky enough to get the chance to do should be thankful for. anyone who does it for the money lost their passion for music a long long time ago. and the amount that you talk about money and how its not fair that we get paid for this and that makes me think that maybe you lost it a long time ago to, and that maybe you are jealous that we have something that you do not.

(this is me sticking up for my beliefs again, don't hate me.. we all have different views and perspectives on things, that was mine coming from a producer who IS being booked primarily for my productions, but who is also putting a fuck load of effort into my djing and who doesnt appriciate people like you assuming that we are half assed and money hungry and that that is the only reason we do it)

later i will post a new demo and you can judge for urself whether or not "producer djs" are really that shit.

thankyou.

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at last a sensible reply that comes from experience instead of just assumption and generalisation.

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Originally posted by Tech0rz at last a sensible reply that comes from experience instead of just assumption and generalisation.

thankyou. i doubt this discussion will end there though, who cares what i have to say? ive been on asot so i must be a shit producer eh. and what clue could i possibly have about djing?

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ouch @ Mike_Foyle's last post

/awaits mikey to counter

talk about getting off track btw.

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Originally posted by eRRaTiK ouch @ Mike_Foyle's last post /awaits mikey to counter talk about getting off track btw.

yeah oops! im just trying to make a point. fed up of watching what i say in this forum, from now on i speak my mind.

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excellent post mike i agree full heartly with you. i think the whole dj culture will soon die as in people no longer will be prepared to pay 50 quid for the likes of talentless wasters like judge jules who have made a living from playing other peoples music.

you can already see the rise of the producer dj everywhere, for example one of my friends john o'callaghan starting to make is name on the dj circuit after years of hard work getting exposure for his producing, but he djs because as you said people wanna go see the person who actually made the music they enjoy so much which would be completely understandable in any other genre.
imagine someone who was a U2 fan for years paying to go to a gig of someone who was just playing U2 songs rather than seen U2 themselves.

even gabrial & dresden said recently in an interview that they see the whole dj performance becoming more like a live performance where producers can showcase there music which is the way it should be.

i reckon when you finally get the transistion over to producer dj performances happen trance may start to get appreciated more as an actual credible scene.

dont get me wrong i still think traditional djs have a role to play but to say a dj who just spins other peoples records should get gigs ahead of an actually talented producers is fucking crazy to say the least.

and as far as money is concerned dont ya think if we thought about that we'd be all out making rap and dj sammy dance music? we do it because we feel we have something to offer to people around the world in the form of music that we make straight from the heart.

p.s. best of luck in the future mike you've had some really great productions recently

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Originally posted by dannyc as far as money is concerned dont ya think if we thought about that we'd be all out making rap and dj sammy dance music?

EXACTLY

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Originally posted by dannyc p.s. best of luck in the future mike you've had some really great productions recently

Thanks

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back on topic, so when are you and andy moor producing a track together mike?

you could be "foyle moor" or "moor foyle"

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Originally posted by eRRaTiK back on topic, so when are you and andy moor producing a track together mike? you could be "foyle moor" or "moor foyle"

or mandy foor?

hehe nah..

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haha totally agree with mike. its the best explentation of why djs that dont produce are simply stupid or amateurs. (well not all but alot of them are)

back on topic... i really liked the first whiteroom stuff, whiteroom and someday they wree really refreshing new and fun to hear in my ears. even tho im not into this style. but lets face it after that he is just bad or average imo, or if you want not as good as b4.



ps. Ory man... ive missed you... please dont leave this thread... i havent been in a retarted-internet fight with you for what??? thre months?? we lo9ve you man. or should i say we love to hate you.



ps2. producers arent into trance to make money ory. its imposible anyway.. how much are they gonna make?? 1000$$??? so what?, thats not motivation and it doesnt worth it. only the software/hardware you need to make a track costs twice as that. anyway, some of them are in it for the fame ok.. but choosing the trance scene to make a name for your self, means that you love trance, atleast. also music doesnt always need to be new and underground (yea my ass whats underground???) as you probably think. what you and others dont seam to understand is that music is all about the feeling. feeling 'less music = cheap music (yea i need some sleep) and the genre you love to hate (trance) has alot of feeling, so you need to think twice dude. keep up with the funny posts. we love them.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 actually Ory got a point. if you look at the todays "uprising" trance stars that are discovered on ASOT they all seem to follow the same pattern. They are all young guys sitting with a downloaded (well most of) version of Reason and producing tracks in their bedrooms. Their main aim is to get on ASOT and get whored there. That is still OK for some reason. But then when the artist becomes popular among the ASOT whores he suddenly have to start DJing. For example Envio, Filo & Peri etc. Just because you can make a good production doesnt automaticly make you a good dj. And then the clubowners book these "uprising" stars and prints largely on the label "ENVIO". Though no one have ever heard Envio dj before they rate him high as hell just because he had one tune on ASOT which was popular. This is really really cheap. Note Envio is just an example. There are loads of other producers which did the same.

It seems to be the current mood yes... Sadly enough The trance scene is seriously shrinking regarding different interpretations and styles. You almost can't recognize anybody's music anymore these days sine they pretty much all (want to) produce and hear the same thing. Sad thing is, is mostly isn't that great, since they all want to get it released as soon as possible because that seems to mean everything these days. Rather than sitting back and just produce a fine, unique sounding track. Where are the times a producer made a track for fun?

Though if they want to dj (note: because they like it), let them just do it. The scene is practically already overflown with 'producer-djs'. DJs that don't produce aren't necessarily lazy or anything like that, sounds like a bit of prejudice there

I don't agree with Ory, but I feel there's some truth in everyone's opinion.

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