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Originally posted by jerZ07002 LOL problems aren't solved without solutions.

The solution was for both side to no longer exist.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 one trip through brooklyn or in midtown NYC at lunch time would make you think otherwise.

A lot of the movers and shakers in the US prior to WWII were anti-Semetic.

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Originally posted by Q5echo apparently and appropriately it does since all the major players in the region are very hands off of the entire situation. which is a reflection of the moral and ideological bankruptcy of Hamas and Iran. this is a war of perception as much, if not more, as it is a hot war of attrition, and Israel has been losing that aspect of the war since, well, forever. control the perception and the people you are refering to, the extremist groups, non-government entities, clergy and their followers, Palestinian sympathizers all over the world become ad hoc soldiers in that war and the numbers become overwhelming. we end up with this. this thread in particular, where everbody forgets who Hamas and Iran really are and what they are willing and capable of doing in the most horrific and inhuman ways. if you accept that this has been a neverending war of perception more than a war of attrition then what you have to ask yourself is is the perception able to be changed? of course it can be changed. it might take a while but surely it can be changed. Arab governments don't fight Israel anymore. even some of their proxies have stopped waging war on her. we're left with these assholes and the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Take away the outside influences and it will go back to a nationalist independence movement.

The problem still comes down to Person A took land from Person B and Person B wants it back.

All the religious over-tones just go to make the issue more complicated and harder to solve.

Look at how long the American Indian independence movements have lasted. Not nearly as violent, but there are still active groups today.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 what's your point?

sorry been away for the party period just being sarcastic, "proportional" doesn't exist in the Hebrew dictionary

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Yeah sitting in their houses with no food and fuel or any sort of economy is truly the way to go.

Maybe the people there shouldn't have voted in their own demise?
It certainly looks like either pride or arrogance, whichever it is, they're hurting (and killing) their own people.

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I bet you any money that after all of this Hamas will remain in power with more support.Perhaps thats what Israel wants?since 99% of the time their so called strategies comes back and bites them in the ass later.

Of course they're going to stay in power, Israel isn't there to supplant them. They're after the guys with the rockets and those that plan it? Get it yet?

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It is like talking to a fuckin wall when it comes to you. 500 fuckin dead people and you think those are not civilians?wow

Sorry where do you get off saying I said there were no civilians killed?
Maybe if you didn't get your diploma from Derik Zoolander's School For Kids Who Can't Read Good you'd understand I DIDN'T SAY THAT AT ALL.
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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Maybe the people there shouldn't have voted in their own demise? It certainly looks like either pride or arrogance, whichever it is, they're hurting (and killing) their own people.

wow so you gonna come and tell them who then vote for or not?They voted freely for Hamas.The world should resepect that.
This invasion has crossed the line and and more and more are dying as we speak.Hamas will come out of this with more support since they ll be looked upon has heros in the region.

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Of course they're going to stay in power, Israel isn't there to supplant them. They're after the guys with the rockets and those that plan it? Get it yet?

Really?then whats the ground invasion for then?to catch a bunch of bad guys?why did they cut off the electricity to the whole city then?why arent they letting fuel and medicine get to the people in need?

Isreal is a fuckin bully and one day they will pay for all this.

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Sorry where do you get off saying I said there were no civilians killed? Maybe if you didn't get your diploma from Derik Zoolander's School For Kids Who Can't Read Good you'd understand I DIDN'T SAY THAT AT ALL. /id-10-t

If you do really care(which I HIGHLY doubt) then why are you behind the Israeli cause 99% of the time? Ive never once seen you once condeming Israeli actions.

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Originally posted by DJ Damerchi watch yourself hardcore trancer your country's next

lol Iam no worried at all!!!they can defend themselves more then you think.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer lol Iam no worried at all!!!they can defend themselves more then you think.

here we go again with 'iran is soooooo powerful'. if iran didn't have the 3rd largest proven petroleum reserves in the world, your government would have been toppled already. the powers that be have determined that disrupting the world supply of petroleum is far more costly than allowing saber rattling of the current iranian regime (and the potential risks associated with the threat of a nuclear iran).

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer lol Iam no worried at all!!!they can defend themselves more then you think.

but they cant defend your women from my sexytime

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Originally posted by DJ Damerchi but they cant defend your women from my sexytime

nor can they defend the rights of gays to exist.