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Originally posted by Jayx1 Thats why Canadians with grandiose ideas usually end up in the US or overseas

What an ingornant comment, even for you.

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Originally posted by Skipper What an ingornant comment, even for you.

Not ignorant at all. For the most part it tends to be true. Having traveled and lived where I have I have seen it for myself. People with great visions and ideas tend to get shot down here and either give up or move. A very good example of this are actors and singers. But city planners and architects are especially amongst the brain drain that ive seen. So many Canadians i have met overseas are architects that could never get their work done over here because "all they want is the same old glass box".

Just travel to see the kinds of innovation that is ocurring right now. We squabble over bike lanes, souvlaki stands and plastic bags while there are cities all over the world that are transforming themselves on a massive scale into the 21st century.

I forgot to mention the space age BOMBARDIER trains and busses that ive seen overseas that are a pipe dream in canada. And dont go showing me the new streetcars because those are regressive to our city.

Im talking 250 km/h bullet trains and bus and subways with tvs on the seatbacks like in an airplane.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 I forgot to mention the space age BOMBARDIER trains and busses that ive seen overseas that are a pipe dream in canada. And dont go showing me the new streetcars because those are regressive to our city. Im talking 250 km/h bullet trains and bus and subways with tvs on the seatbacks like in an airplane.

I took the Acera train from DC to nyc once, and it was going so fast that the outside looked like a BLUR. Kinda scary but I made it back to nyc in 2.5-3 hours (typically a 4-6 hour drive depending on traffic). That shit was fassstttt!

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Originally posted by Jayx1 A very good example of this are actors and singers.

That's not a good example at all.
I think Canadian music is quite receptive towards non cookie cutter artists. And how are actors' unique ideas being stifled in Canada exactly?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 A very good example of this are actors and singers.

That's not a good example at all.
I think Canadian music is quite receptive towards non cookie cutter artists. And how are actors' unique ideas being stifled in Canada exactly?

What you're implying - or outright saying, more like it - is that the people left are run of the mill, uncreative folk with no unique ideas or skills sets. I am honestly fucking tired of listening to you bitch about our country and now, the people in it. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Canada has a lot of things going for it and that is why so many people from around the world want to live here. And for those who don't, good riddance.

We DO have a good thing going for ourselves!!! And this is why i cant stand to see it squandered. You dont get it. My criticism comes from my care and love for this place. I absolutely hate to see what is happening to it and how we are failing almost every test we have thrown our way. We are living not on today's success but successes from the past. Up until now we have gotten away with it but now its starting to show.

Canada today is still decent but the quality of life is definitely declining and I WANT TO BRING ATTENTION TO THIS TO HELP TRY TO STOP IT!

What distresses me even more is that most people either dont see it, dont care, or actually promote the decline with their own selfish special interests.

Canada was once a great nation, still is a good nation and is in danger of becoming one of those types of nations that people left in the first place.

If i didnt give a damn about Canada i wouldnt even waste my breath!

If you are trying to create awareness, I would suggest changing your message a bit then, because it comes off as arrogant and doesn't convince anyone.

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Originally posted by daves haha i wonder if this Canadian Plastics Industry Association-funded study would have seen the light of day if it produced anything other than results that helped to encourage the purchase of more plastics?

OK, but here's the real question: Who has funded a study that you would consider to be independent?

On the one hand you're looking at studies from the plastics industry, and on the other hand you're looking at studies (actually, more like pure rhetoric) from environmentalists and anti-corporate types who really hate plastics. I don't even know why anybody would get so emotional over plastics, but I'm not joking, I've met them. Remember, these are the same people who originally spread the still-popular but patently false information about popular plastic products leaching into food, and other such idiocy. You should be assigning the same credibility to an industry-funded study as you would to an NGO.

I see from this post and many previous ones that you're quite fond of the genetic fallacy (i.e. this argument or data lacks credibility because it comes from a source I consider to be biased). It's really not a particularly constructive or enlightened way of thinking.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Progressive thinking isnt much of a Canadian trait in political circles. Thats why Canadians with grandiose ideas usually end up in the US or overseas

but when they come back, you just bash them for having spent so much time out of Canada

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Originally posted by MarkT but when they come back, you just bash them for having spent so much time out of Canada

Ok now, I think there's a slight difference between coming back to Canada after several years to settle down with a pile of money and coming back to Canada after several years to run for Prime Minister.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Ok now, I think there's a slight difference between coming back to Canada after several years to settle down with a pile of money and coming back to Canada after several years to run for Prime Minister.

exactly!

He didnt even want to come at first. Apparently the Liberals had to go down to the US to convince him. I remember hearing about that long before he was even elected as an MP