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Originally posted by jeremie vinyl all the way!!! mixing mp3 cds suxx so much!!! i cant beleive that some djs do that!

any dj worth his ass uses both. all the top jocks use both.

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the djs who use it,, use cd single, or promo stuff not out on vinyl yet!!! but have you ever seen a top djs spinning mp3 cds&??? only because it doesnt cost any $$$ to get the traxx&?&
in my opinion those djs must die

Vinyl

Zzyzx

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Originally posted by jeremie vinyl all the way!!! mixing mp3 cds suxx so much!!! i cant beleive that some djs do that!

....And your comment is based upon what supporting data / facts?
Do you actually Spin?
Have you ever tried Beatmatching and mixing with a couple of CD's like a CDJ 800 or 1000 or the Denon?

If you have not, then try going down to your local Guitar Center with a CD and have em set you up to test out the CDJ. Go spend 20 minute properly mixing and tell me it still sucks, more importantly please tell me why, (just coz ain't a reason!) You'll find that if you do spin then its just as hard to learn to spin CD's properly as it is learn vinyl. If you can work vinyl then it will help on CD's. Lemme know how you get on, please!

Phil

Argh im going to say this again like i have 12 times in the past, their is no better they both have their goods and bads its all about musical preferance, just like music your median is your choise

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Originally posted by Nou PVD and FS, nuff said... well actaully SACD will own all of them, vinyl fidelity and cd durability!

Will be interesting to see what SACD is all about interms of quality etc.

I still think that the people who produce new DJ technology are a bit blinded by profit. I think that they have kind of created a demand where there was none. (Not suggesting however that the vinyl industry isn't profit driven, atleast the more commercial side in any case). MP3Js are actually hurting the industry as are the guys who use coppied CDs. Hooj Choons went bust a while back, Bonzai have been in trouble and so on. Big deal you might say, but think of the classics that they have given us over the years. Music piracy may not be the only cause but I bet it has not helped. In the long run it will also have an effect on the artists of tomorrow.

The thing I notice with a lot of CDJs and MP3Js is that they seem to ignore the fact that vinyl DJS actually enjoy using vinyl. I suppose the same arguement works in reverse too. But the only real arguements that MP3 and CD DJs come with are based on practical or financial issues and not anything to do with sound quality or overall DJing skill. This is not saying that those arguements don't carry any weight.
You do hear the digital guys occasionally mention things like loop effects and so on but to be honest I am not impressed. If you have a turntablist background or know a little about it then you will know that those extras are weak in comparisson to some of the stuff you can do with vinyl.
To be fair I think that us vinyl DJs are going to have to accept the CDJs too and ease off a little as you have some guys out there who are tearing up dancefloors with CDs.

MP3 CDs in contrast do suck in the club environment plain and simple. Too much data has been taken out of the tracks to get a good enough play back. Sure they work fine in smaller venues such has house parties or bedrooms though.

Traktor on it's own...
My brother-inlaw has seen Darude perform a whole set on a PC, which in his words might just as well have been a CD and he could have answering his e-mail for all we know. The experience was not a good one apparently.
Thankfully PVD does put more into his sets using when using FS and while he may not appeal to me on a musical level (both DJing and production) he does know how to put on a good show. He also owns the rights to or the originals of what he plays. Also remember that he uses vinyl and CDs too... perhaps a message in there?

While I look forward to see what SACD is all about I still doubt that anything digital will anytime soon or ever match the sound from a vinyl not saying it wont come close. By digital's very nature the unbroken waveform is a contradiction.

To summarise:
I think realistically all types of DJs are going to have to accept the others as you will find that CDs, FS and Vinyl will play a major role in what happens on our dance floors.
DJing is about making people have a good time. The mediums are just a means to an end.
DJ Mil0 sums it up perfectly.

Cheers
Nem

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Last edited by Nemesis44 on Dec-11-2003 at 16:50

personally i preffer vinyl, the cdj decks and the dennon just don't feel the same way, but i'd have to admit that a combination of both is the way to go (burning on cdn the stuff you make is much more effective then shelling out the cash to print a few dubplates.)

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I've *heard* many times that vinyl sounds better.

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Originally posted by Luke Terry vinyl are better, cds are cheaper and u cant spin in a club with illegal cds

ull find on most vinyl it'll say "Unauthorised public performance, broadcasting and copying of this work prohibited". It all depends on the discrepency of the club to be fair. ive been in one that wunt let me play n e of my own stuff. had to use theirs.

my own opinion is... Cd's are easier on the whole, but i find it easier to actually beat mix with vinyl... its all confusing, but i think i prefer vinyl

A-Track is where its at.

In all honesty, I love both, I only have decks right now, but I also love what you can do on a CDJ-800 and 1000, CDs have there benefits and so do Vinyl, to me I actually prefer the sound of Vinyl aswell, I don't care which one TECHNICALY sounds better, its what sounds best to me that is the best for me, I love both and wanna use both, so long live Vinyl and may CD tag along with it or get better in some way.

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Originally posted by Dj Dezmond ull find on most vinyl it'll say "Unauthorised public performance, broadcasting and copying of this work prohibited". It all depends on the discrepency of the club to be fair. ive been in one that wunt let me play n e of my own stuff. had to use theirs. my own opinion is... Cd's are easier on the whole, but i find it easier to actually beat mix with vinyl... its all confusing, but i think i prefer vinyl

Heya Dez,

However the 'Unauthorised Public Performance' bit is covered by the PPL (Public Performance Licence) that clubs have to have. Actually anywhere that has music playing as a feature has to have one of those licences. This is true for any music medium you decide to play publicly even if they are A-tracks as the P-Child mentioned
A public perfomance licence does not however cover copied material and that's where the problem with burned CDs come in. If you own the original at home you have as such paid for the rights for that track and using it wouldn't be a problem but there are not many people who can say that when they down load MP3s it's of stuff they already have on CD.

Bottom line is that with a PPL (Can't remember what it's calle din the US again) it becomes and authorised performance.

All the best folks
Nem

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