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Originally posted by dEsidEL was Iraq the only country to do this .. ? if not then what of the other countries ?

so if five people robbed a bank, and you were in the process of capturing one of them, you would argue that you should let that bank-robber go because the others robbed the bank too?

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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee odd u say that cos they have been showing several Iraqis outside Iraq qho are agaisnt this war and think otherwise

there are several people in lots of categories, it is easy to find several people, but thats not even the point. Iraqis have little to do with it, it is the countries that Saddam is threatening that have to fear him, not so much his own people.

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A Brief History of US-Sponsored Terrorism Abroad by Mark Zapezauer 1946- U.S. opens School of the Americas in Panama. Now located in Fort Benning, Georgia, the "School of the Assassins" has taught over 60,000 personnel from some of the world's most brutal regimes how to subvert the truth, to muzzle union leaders, activist clergy, and journalists, and to make war on their own people. 1951- CIA is involved in a coup to overthrow nationalist Primeminister Dr. Muhammed Mossadeq in Iran. Supports Iranian military in massacre of Mossadeq supporters and returns the Shah to power. In 1976, Amnesty International concluded that the Shah's CIA-trained security force, SAVAK, had the worst human rights record on the planet, and that the number and variety of torture techniques the CIA had taught SAVAK were "beyond belief." 1951-CIA involved in terror campaign against democratically elected Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala. After Arbenz government is overthrown, CIA backed regimes murder more than 100,000 Guatemalans over the next 40 years 1961- CIA recruits 1500 Cuban exiles to invade Cuba and overthrow the Castro regime. The Pay of Pigs invasion would be a disaster, however the CIA would continue with more than two dozen attempts to kill Castro. 1963- The CIA have South Vietnemese president Ngo Dinh Diem overthrown and assasinated for supporting negotiations with the north. After 20 years of covert war the U.S. turns to direct military invasion, in a war that costs tens of thousands of Vietnemese, Cambodian and U.S. lives 1963- CIA recruits Iraqi Baath Party (including a young Saddam Hussein) to assasinate the new leader, Abdul-Karim Kassem. After the coup, the CIA gave the Baath a long list of communists and others to liquidate. During the 1980s the CIA would go on to help provide weapons to both Iraq and Iran in a war that would kill over one million people. 1965- CIA provokes a coup that leads to the overthrow of Indonesian leader Sukarno, who is replaced by General Suharto. In the follow ing weeks between 500,000 and one million people are murdered by death squads using lists provided by US State Department. 1973- After interfering in Chilean elections in 1958 and 1964, the CIA begins a campaign of sabotage and terror after leftist Salvadore Allende is elected president in 1970. In 1973, a CIA supported coup overthrew and assassinated Allende and installed fascist General Pinochet, resulting in thousands of murders over the next two decades. This year in France, former U.S. secretary of state, Henry Kissinger was served a (mostly symbolic) warrant for arrest as a war criminal for his role in the coup. 1979- After Nicaraguan dictator Samosa is overthrown in 1979, the CIA helps to train Samosa's National Guard into death squads known as the Contras. The Contras are used to terrorize rural Nicaragua while the US military blockades Nicaragua's harbors with mines. In 1989, after 10,000 deaths, the US is successful in ousting the Sandanista government. 1989- US invades Panama to overthrow and "arrest" Manuel Noriega, who has been on the CIA payroll since 1966 and supported through decades of drug running, political assassination and corrupt elections. After the invasion, which included the fire bombing of an entire urban ghetto, human rights observers uncover mass graves and estimate that over 4,000 died during the invasion. 1991- US and allies (mostly Britain) invade Iraq after U.S./CIA supported Saddam Hussein invades Kuwait. 200,000 Iraqis are killed, including over 400 civilians killed by two U.S. missiles in the Al-Amerya air shelter. Over the next 10 years another 400 tons of explosives will be dropped on Iraq killing another 300 civilians, and hundreds of thousands more starved through U.S. imposed sanctions. The U.S. forces Saudi Arabia to allow thousands of U.S. military to remain indefinitely within its boarders. 1998- Al Shifa pharmaceutical plant in Khartoum, Sudan is bombed without warning by 13 U.S. cruise missiles killing a janitor. The attack deprives Sudan of desperately needed medical drugs and potentially killing tens of thousands of people. The CIA later admits that information linking the plant to Osama bin Laden was probably "incorrect." Due to limitations of space I have not included the U.S. support of Israeli acts of terror against Palestinians, the atomic bombing of 200,000 civilians in Nagasaki and Hiroshima, the numerous other U.S. invasions south of the Rio Grande, the invasion of Grenada ,the 19th century war of terror against U.S. indigenous peoples or the 200 years of slave trade. Source: The CIAs Greatest Hits by Mark Zapezauer Third World Traveller www.thirdworldtraveler.com

Tell me oceanlab, who should we really be fearing???

i don't know who Zapezauer is off hand but here's a BBC link about Saddam.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1100529.stm

I am sure there are hundreds of bios on him

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Originally posted by oceanlab i don't know who Zapezauer is off hand but here's a BBC link about Saddam. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1100529.stm I am sure there are hundreds of bios on him

I am quite aware of what Saddam has done, and yes the world will be better without him.

But you simply don't see my point so I won't bother posting in this thread anymore.

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drink when:


bush is called a crusader
x2 if its by saddam
saddam is called evil
x2 if its by bush
iraq troops surrender to the media
x2 if to a unmanned vehicle or inanimate object
iraq uses weapons it claims not to have
the united states uses weapons it won't allow iraq to have
a member of the media gets shot at
a toast to the shooter if its ashleigh banfield(msnbc), geraldo riviera(fox) or arron brown(cnn)
saddam uses a scud he doesnt have
x2 if its towards Israel
the united states terrorist threat level changes
the united states government tries to link iraq to 9-11
france goes pro US invasion
germany takes the side of the united states in a global war
Dominique de Villepin reminds you of that annoying rich kid in high school
someone implies tony blair is bush's bitch
someone implies scott ritter is Saddam's bitch
anybody 'warns' anybody
the word "escalation" is used
iraq and the united states are shown seated next to each other in the united nations
an American is shot down over iraq
x2 if an iraqi makes in into an aircraft
an American is shot,
x2 if its by an enemy
the media compares the war to blackhawk down
x2 if its because a blackhawk really goes down
a puppet government is installed in iraq
x2 if its by the puppet government installed in the US
saddam uses the word 'Zionist'
x2 if its bin laden
you change your opinion on the war
the media shows iraqi children in a hospital because of international sanctions
x2 if its because of american military action
finish your drink if saddam actually put them there, but claimed it was the united states
iraq promises full and complete cooporation with inspectors
Iraqi civilians greet Americans with cheers
x2 if its with bullets
the saudis do something the united states accuses iraq of doing
north korea does something the united states accused iraq of doing
x2 if they don't get away with it
al-jazeera is referred to as the "arab cnn"
finish your drink if cnn is referred to as the "american al-jazeera"
the conflict is compared to the vietnam war
x2 if the word "quagmire" is used
saddam goes missing
finish your drink if he is confimed killed
the pope is said to "pray for peace"
bush mispronounces the word 'nuclear'
finish your drink if its referring to a bomb that has gone off
richard armitage's neck shows up
if you can't find kuwait, bahrain, qatar, oman, or the united arab emirates on a map
x2 if you even own a map of the region
finish your drink if you can pronounce them all correctly
any of the following commentators are on tv:
x1 ken pollack, khidhir hamza, general wesley clark, col david hackworth, general bernard trainor, david kay, richard butler, thomas friedman, scott ritter, thomas andrews, anybody running for United States President
x2 general norman schwarzkopf, general walt boomer, general buster glosson, brent scowcroft, james baker, richard perle, william kristol, james woolsey, henry kissinger
x3 any former united states president
an actor or actress expresses an opinion on the war
x2 if this is the first time you've seen them in a year
an american reminds the french of world war one and two
x2 if a frenchman reminds the americans of the revolutionary war
saddam torches the oil fields
someone reports from "the arab street"
colin powell looks exasperated sitting at the u.n. security council
x2 if its because a country you didnt know exists is commenting on the war
anyone in the bush administration says "make no mistake"
the american military are told what to do by someone with no military experience
x2 if they dodged the vietnam draft
x3 if they dodged the vietnam draft, are an ex-governer of a southern us state, and ever held or holds the title of 'commander-in-chief'
tariq azziz's glasses get larger
somebody says saddam "tortures his own people"
you momentarly confuse george roberston with shrek
an arab country staging american troops speaks against the war
an arrow anti-missle missle is fired
x2 if it intercepts something
tom ridge laughs while discussing potential terrorists attacks
God picks a side
finish your drink if its not yours
somebody implies a blood for oil trade may be in progress
x2 if that person owns a S.U.V.
a protest sign attacks Bush directly
x2 if it attacks saddam directly
The united states bombs anything in iraq before the fighting 'offically' starts
x2 if iraq tries the same thing
Saddam is compared to Hitler
x2 if bush is compared to Hitler
someone compares the size of iraq to california or france
The media refers to itself as 'embedded'
someone says "shock and awe"
The words "Weapon(s) of Mass Destruction" are used
x2 if its shortned to "WMD"
A US Official uses the word "liberate"
Bush says "innocent civilians"
Bush quotes scripture
x2 saddam quotes the koran
Somebody says "between Iraq and a hard place"
A videophone craps out
x2 the anchor apologizes for it
Someone on TV says something contradictory to what is on their news ticker
A news correspondent asks if they can still be heard
x2 if they say "Can you hear me now?"
x3 if it is followed by a verizon wireless comercial
Any political or military leader refers to Australia
Saddam shoots a gun into the air
Saddam refers to George Bush as "little Bush" or "junior bush"
you see soldiers in gas masks
x2 if they were actually necessary
an initial news report turns out to be false
x2 if the anchor openly admits it
this game is mentioned in the news
x2 if the bush twins are playing it
Bush directly addresses Iraqis
x2 Saddam directly addresses Americans
a saddam body double is seen
someone refers to "coalition of the willing"
x2 if is because a member is actually providing combat troops
someone refers to 'Halliburton'
Media cameras on the baghdad skyline focus on something that looks like an erect penis
someone reminds us that osama bin laden is still alive
x2 if he reminds us himself
The media refuses to report something because of operational security
x2 if its immediately followed by a commentator telling what will happen next
the media reports that something "is not the start of the war"
x2 if it involves any act of war
the military learns of something for the first time from the media
someone uses the term "cradle of civilization"
ari fleischer lies
x2 if it is directly to helen thomas
anybody says something about exercising a right to protest
x2 if its added that it what the troops are fighting for
on the baghdad cam, a car runs a red light
x2 if it stops
x3 if its during a bombing
any coalition representative mentions securing oil fields
x2 if immediatly followed by "for the benefit of the iraqi people"

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LKD, you tell me to open my mind. You tell others that they are wrong and you call people out when they provide sources for their statements. Not once in this whole thread have you provided ONE IOTA of credible and reliable sources to back up your view. You are relying on "people who you know in Iraq". Guys, Noone should listen to a thing LKD says unless he can back it all up with credible information. I have been constantly giving this ignorant person sources that back up my points. What does this guy do? Insults me for not having a broad mind or some shit like that. I have been constantly trying to get this guy and others to answer easily answerable questions yet he can't. He has no answer for it. He has provided nothing that could be considered reliable in the 12 pages that this thread takes up. LKD relies on hearsay. I use journalism which comes from reliable sites. Atleast with journalism, it is verified. Imagine how bad CNN would look if they carried fake news so they don't. I ask anyone here if they actually can take LKD for face value in this thread. He has done nothing to prove his point and I'm calling him out on it

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Originally posted by dEsidEL http://www.gulfwardrinkinggame.com/ the gulf war two drinking game

Damn I'm drunk ALREADY!

Also, I would like to ask DJ Hordash to close this thread. It has degenerated into nothing but babylike trolling on the part of some people.

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Originally posted by Ray_Finkle Atleast with journalism, it is verified. Imagine how bad CNN would look if they carried fake news so they don't.

Ok this is seriously my last post, but I just had to comment on this.
Yes CNN gives out real news, but they don't tell you everything.
Perhaps you should look into some of Noam Chomsky's work, it's quite interesting.

Ray_Finkle....

in all that BS u posted in ur last post about me, u mentioned that i say people are wrong.....point out one post...just one fuckin post where i tell someone they are wrong... all i have been telling u and oceanlabto think beyond what u 2 read and see on the news and all u and oceanlab know to do is start getting sarcastic and claiming i have no point???

just cos i dont save every freakin link i visit and therefore cant provide u any links..i watch news more than i read it....u expect me to record and convert the documentaries and interviews i watch into a digital format and show u/????

if u concider me childish, ur just a sperm then

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