Why do I get a sense that many anti-war people here were wishing that the citizens of Iraq would resist US liberation and engage in bloody fights that would cause MORE civilian casualties just so they could tell all of us I told you so?

Perhaps some of you need to question your own motives in your support for your beliefs

I don't see why these people are free

they still can't say what they want to say, now they have to say that they love the Americans instead of saying, we love Saddam. Their possesions can get stolen, you see that everything is being stolen on TV. there is no control of everything

The Iraqi people are free when there is a democraticly chosen government!!

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Originally posted by Blik I don't see why these people are free they still can't say what they want to say, now they have to say that they love the Americans instead of saying, we love Saddam. Their possesions can get stolen, you see that everything is being stolen on TV. there is no control of everything The Iraqi people are free when there is a democraticly chosen government!!

Why can't they say what they want to say? I haven't heard of any Iraqis getting thrown in jail for voicing opposition to the US or getting tortured. And of course there's going to be brief periods of anarchy after the government is toppled. That has happened in any war. Control will be reestablished much like things are getting reorganized in Basra. Geez people give things TIME! You think that the US rolls in, captures baghdad, and a parlimentary government appears out of nowhere to adiminster the country??? Haha you're like one of those people that thought the war would be over in 3 days.

But the Iraqis are now FREE from oppression by Sadam's Baathe party.

Geez everybody used to be "ohhh the war's going to be terrible, it's going to kill thousands upon thousands of civilians, it's going to drag on for months". Now that the war is over people are saying "well, the war wasn't the hard part, it's the Reconstruction that's going to be awful blah blah blah." You're all a bunch of naggy old woman! Why don't we WAIT to see what happens and THEN voice approval, disapproval, etc.

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Originally posted by occrider Why can't they say what they want to say? I haven't heard of any Iraqis getting thrown in jail for voicing opposition to the US or getting tortured. And of course there's going to be brief periods of anarchy after the government is toppled. That has happened in any war. Control will be reestablished much like things are getting reorganized in Basra. Geez people give things TIME! You think that the US rolls in, captures baghdad, and a parlimentary government appears out of nowhere to adiminster the country??? Haha you're like one of those people that thought the war would be over in 3 days. But the Iraqis are now FREE from oppression by Sadam's Baathe party.

I did not think that this war would be over in 3 days, I thought it would last for at least a month. But don't say that the people are free because they removed the Baathe party. There is a big risk that there will be a civil war between the Kurds, the Opposition and the Sji'iets. They all want some power in this new Iraq. There is a possibility that Iraq will be split in 3 separate countries because of this.

wait till your statements are true

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Originally posted by Blik I did not think that this war would be over in 3 days, I thought it would last for at least a month. But don't say that the people are free because they removed the Baathe party. There is a big risk that there will be a civil war between the Kurds, the Opposition and the Sji'iets. They all want some power in this new Iraq. There is a possibility that Iraq will be split in 3 separate countries because of this. wait till your statements are true

Well then wait until your statements are true ... I haven't seen anything to indicate they aren't free.

1st up, war technically ain't over

2nd, judging from our ongoing reconstruction adventure in Afghanistan, I just don't have much faith in the current Administration's ability to reconstruct. Hopefully, these worries will turn out to be just worries.

Thirdly, nagging's fun

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Originally posted by JudgeJulez War wasn't the hard part for the US; that is yet to come, in the rebuilding. Let's hope all hope for the best.

You are correct sir, though there is still some fighting. I was so happy to see all of those people celebrating!!! I can't even describe it. I'm pro regime change now.

There is much history yet to be written however.

p.s. Still anti-Geraldo

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Originally posted by JudgeJulez 1st up, war technically ain't over

That is true ... latest info from the ministry of wishful thinking is that the Iraqi forces have achieved victory except for a few minor "technicalities"

Maybe they have a job opening for peter arnett haha

Give a starving person a piece of chocolate and a bubble gum and he'll be cheering for whatever you want him to. And as Blik said, things are getting stolen from all around the cities, those cities have fallen into complete anarchy, very few people will benefit from that.

Anyway, regardless of whether this is a positive or negative change for the Iraqi people (which has yet to be seen), this war has brought a very negative precedent with it. One country attacked another without solid reason, against the will of the UN, suffered no sanctions whatsoever, and failed to afterwards present the evidence which was the reason for the war.

So what does this mean now? US can tomorrow claim that [insert country] is developing a hideous weapon designed for mass murder, and that [insert leader] is a madman capable of using that weapon. This attack was a big risk, but it turned out to pay back big time to the republican and conservative elements in power. This attack was a proof that 70% of the american citizens are willing to support a war which is fought for fictious reasons, as long as you keep telling them those reasons exist. This reminds me of what Goebbels once said, a lie told a hudred times begins to sound like the truth. This strategy has been obviously adopted by the US leadership. Keep telling the people we have evidence of Saddam having WOMDs, keep telling them he is a madman who could use them anytime, keep telling them he's a serious threat to the US mainland, and sooner or later, they'll start to believe us and support us. Then silence the opposition votes by marking them as antipatriotic and subversive elements who are either not in touch with the reality, or are actively working against the good of the community, and voila, you have a massive public support with very few opposing voices which are not heard by many anyway.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Give a starving person a piece of chocolate and a bubble gum and he'll be cheering for whatever you want him to. And as Blik said, things are getting stolen from all around the cities, those cities have fallen into complete anarchy, very few people will benefit from that. Anyway, regardless of whether this is a positive or negative change for the Iraqi people (which has yet to be seen), this war has brought a very negative precedent with it. One country attacked another without solid reason, against the will of the UN, suffered no sanctions whatsoever, and failed to afterwards present the evidence which was the reason for the war. So what does this mean now? US can tomorrow claim that [insert country] is developing a hideous weapon designed for mass murder, and that [insert leader] is a madman capable of using that weapon. This attack was a big risk, but it turned out to pay back big time to the republican and conservative elements in power. This attack was a proof that 70% of the american citizens are willing to support a war which is fought for fictious reasons, as long as you keep telling them those reasons exist. This reminds me of what Goebbels once said, a lie told a hudred times begins to sound like the truth. This strategy has been obviously adopted by the US leadership. Keep telling the people we have evidence of Saddam having WOMDs, keep telling them he is a madman who could use them anytime, keep telling them he's a serious threat to the US mainland, and sooner or later, they'll start to believe us and support us. Then silence the opposition votes by marking them as antipatriotic and subversive elements who are either not in touch with the reality, or are actively working against the good of the community, and voila, you have a massive public support with very few opposing voices which are not heard by many anyway.

ok let me get this straight, if u are from croatia, if the US had not gotten involved in ur region of the world, a whole race whould have been exterminated by Mr. Milosivic. so was that a lie, that he wasnt commiting genocide, not seen on such a large dgree since Hitler. You know what you are, your not pro-peace, you are pro-death, pro-dictatorship, pro-genocide, pro-people not being able to live a free life by themselves. thats what u are. keep telling yourself what ever you want, but u are in denial. so Iraq doesnt have WMD??? they have them, and its a matter of time before they are found

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Give a starving person a piece of chocolate and a bubble gum and he'll be cheering for whatever you want him to. And as Blik said, things are getting stolen from all around the cities, those cities have fallen into complete anarchy, very few people will benefit from that. Anyway, regardless of whether this is a positive or negative change for the Iraqi people (which has yet to be seen), this war has brought a very negative precedent with it. One country attacked another without solid reason, against the will of the UN, suffered no sanctions whatsoever, and failed to afterwards present the evidence which was the reason for the war. So what does this mean now? US can tomorrow claim that [insert country] is developing a hideous weapon designed for mass murder, and that [insert leader] is a madman capable of using that weapon. This attack was a big risk, but it turned out to pay back big time to the republican and conservative elements in power. This attack was a proof that 70% of the american citizens are willing to support a war which is fought for fictious reasons, as long as you keep telling them those reasons exist. This reminds me of what Goebbels once said, a lie told a hudred times begins to sound like the truth. This strategy has been obviously adopted by the US leadership. Keep telling the people we have evidence of Saddam having WOMDs, keep telling them he is a madman who could use them anytime, keep telling them he's a serious threat to the US mainland, and sooner or later, they'll start to believe us and support us. Then silence the opposition votes by marking them as antipatriotic and subversive elements who are either not in touch with the reality, or are actively working against the good of the community, and voila, you have a massive public support with very few opposing voices which are not heard by many anyway.

Allow me the opportunity to post this again:

http://www.dailytelegraph.co.uk/new.../ixnewstop.html

Further evidence will likely be found. And even IF none are found this war was not started out of fictitious reasons. Hussein was not in full compliance or in full cooperation with weapons inspectors as the US demanded in the truce agreement.