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Originally posted by occrider Except you have to take into consideration that Halliburton was the company that extinguished the first gulf war fires. Many people ignore this fact and immediately jump to the conclusion of foul play.

sorry but it wasn't the only company doing so, there was a kuwaiti company and a canadian one. 3-4 companies in all I think.

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france and russia are just in tears that they wont get their oil contracts honoured with a post-war iraqi government.

and now the iraqi ambassador to the un has conceeded 'the game is over', where is he heading?

france.

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Originally posted by sifntj0r france and russia are just in tears that they wont get their oil contracts honoured with a post-war iraqi government. and now the iraqi ambassador to the un has conceeded 'the game is over', where is he heading? france.

are you implying that the "free" Iraqi govt won't be "free" to decide to who he might award his oil contracts? All this talk about puppet regime might be true after all

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LOOK PEOPLE GET A CLUE ... THE MONEY THAT GOES TO CONTRACTS COMMMMMMMESSSS YES COOMMMEMSSSS COMMMMESSS COMMMEESSSS FROM THE US GOVERNMENT!!! SO PLEASE ... STOP POSTING THIS BULLSHIT. WHY fucking AWARD US MONEY TO FRANCE WHO DID JACK SHIT TO LIBERATE IRAQ????

Look, man, do I have to spell it out for you?! The point is that these contracts were signed in secret, without any allowed competeion from US competitors either. But I guess you just browsed over that article and assumed you knew everything, right? If Clinton did something like that, there'd already be an impeachment trial in progress, and conservatives would be screaming their lungs out on talk radio, etc. But no, the "liberally biased media" barely even probes treasonous acts like these. The point is, the Bush administration will let no one get in their way, even other Americans.

Go to hell, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. And Ari Fleicher, too.

you forget Perle and Feith

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Originally posted by occrider Except you have to take into consideration that Halliburton was the company that extinguished the first gulf war fires. Many people ignore this fact and immediately jump to the conclusion of foul play.

If you didn't have your head up your ass, you would know that the multi-million dollar contract handed over to Halliburton themselves was why they were putting out those fires. As if they are "earning" their right to be there.

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Originally posted by occrider LOOK PEOPLE GET A CLUE ... THE MONEY THAT GOES TO CONTRACTS COMMMMMMMESSSS YES COOMMMEMSSSS COMMMMESSS COMMMEESSSS FROM THE US GOVERNMENT!!! SO PLEASE ... STOP POSTING THIS BULLSHIT. WHY fucking AWARD US MONEY TO FRANCE WHO DID JACK SHIT TO LIBERATE IRAQ????

As I was reading yesterday, the problem was that this companies had knowledge and information that not even congressmans nor representatives had, so basically it was done in secret, as said, in order to just benefit that one company. I know that the money came from the US, but not from Halliburton, and the only people that will benefit from this are... Cheney's friend, and him ofcourse, someway or another, as if the money came from them, but no..

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Originally posted by cougar23 Look, man, do I have to spell it out for you?! The point is that these contracts were signed in secret, without any allowed competeion from US competitors either. But I guess you just browsed over that article and assumed you knew everything, right? If Clinton did something like that, there'd already be an impeachment trial in progress, and conservatives would be screaming their lungs out on talk radio, etc. But no, the "liberally biased media" barely even probes treasonous acts like these. The point is, the Bush administration will let no one get in their way, even other Americans. Go to hell, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. And Ari Fleicher, too.

YES there were US competitors. Read other articles than just one on the issue more carefully. You'll find that there is important information that is left out of this article. For example Cheney's "payments" from halliburton are his payments that he would recieve ANYWAY when he left the company. Instead of a lump sum payment he chose to recieve payments spread out over time. Not exactly the most impartial source out there. Halliburton was picked by the PENTAGON not BUSH among several different companies.

Oh so now you're saying that they were illegally given the contract in the first gulf war as well?? THEY EARNED the right to be there by doing a good job of extinguishing hte first gulf war fires.

Nice post Vesa.

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Originally posted by occrider YES there were US competitors. Read other articles than just one on the issue more carefully. You'll find that there is important information that is left out of this article. For example Cheney's "payments" from halliburton are his payments that he would recieve ANYWAY when he left the company. Instead of a lump sum payment he chose to recieve payments spread out over time. Not exactly the most impartial source out there. Halliburton was picked by the PENTAGON not BUSH among several different companies. Oh so now you're saying that they were illegally given the contract in the first gulf war as well?? THEY EARNED the right to be there by doing a good job of extinguishing hte first gulf war fires.

Well, here's part of the article:

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The contract, which was not announced until more than two weeks after it was awarded, was open-ended, with no time limits and no dollar limits. It was also a "cost-plus" contract, meaning that the company is guaranteed to recover costs and then make a guaranteed profit on top of that. Its value is estimated at tens of millions of dollars.

I don't see any evidence of US competition here, or in any other article about this matter. And they're not suggesting that Cheney getting paid by this corporation is wrong, they're suggesting that the payments indicate the close ties he has with that corporation. This, in turn is evidence that the contract was awarded to Cheney's friends in the business world. Wake up, man! The Bush administration is riddled with shady business connections, even worse than other presidents. Kenneth Lay, big time crook and ruiner of thousands of people's lives, was good friends with the Bush family, he was even an advisor to Bush before he got arrested.

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Originally posted by cougar23 Well, here's part of the article: I don't see any evidence of US competition here, or in any other article about this matter. And they're not suggesting that Cheney getting paid by this corporation is wrong, they're suggesting that the payments indicate the close ties he has with that corporation. This, in turn is evidence that the contract was awarded to Cheney's friends in the business world. Wake up, man! The Bush administration is riddled with shady business connections, even worse than other presidents. Kenneth Lay, big time crook and ruiner of thousands of people's lives, was good friends with the Bush family, he was even an advisor to Bush before he got arrested.

Ah ok I admit defeat. I was confused by this reuters article:

NO COMMENT ON CONTRACTS

A Halliburton spokeswoman declined to speculate on "what may or may not happen with regards to Iraq."

She referred all queries to the U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) and the U.S. Agency for International Development, which both said that contracts for fighting fires and rebuilding Iraq's infrastructure have yet to be awarded. Neither agency would disclose whether Halliburton had submitted any bids.

Other companies that could bid for firefighting contracts include Boots & Coots International Well Control Inc. WEL.A , Canada's Safety Boss Inc., RPC Inc.'s RES.N Cudd Pressure Control and Superior Energy Services Inc.'s SPN.N Wild Well Control Inc.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle....storyID=2431755

which implied there was competition. At any rate I agree with you that this contract is suspect (although it would be difficult to imagine cheney benefiting in any way ... it's more likely he just unfairly expressed assurances as to his former company's competance). So I agree in teh sense there should have been competitors however, I disagree that European firms should have a stake in the matter since it's the US government that is footing the bill.