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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Well, Hitler won the democratic elections, didn't he? Anyway, the big lack of interest for international politics and a lack of knowledge in basic geography that is present in the US today is a pretty good start for the fall of the democracy. Let's hope the situation changes and people start thinking with their own heads.

Sort of, the NSDAP won the popular election but Hitler gained power essentially via a coup after President Hindenburg died.

I agree that when you look at some of the people who've been elected over the years by the masses the philosophy of people like Nietzsche sadly starts to sound more like the fumings of a stark realist (scary comment given his conceited ramblings late in life!) as opposed to a pernicious old man.

At one point I thought the solution to the problems of democracy would be a modernization of democracy to the point of having a true *direct* democracy ala Athens, but the more I talk to people the more I realize that the apathy of the average person would kill anything resembling that in short order.

Average people *don't* want to think about politics, the average person doesn't seem to want to think at all. People by and large seem to be content living day to day without thinking about anything beyond their own personal goals and realities.

That's all fine and good on a micro scale, but it definitely can make democratic elections and popular opinions a little scary, and easily manipulated.

Better solutions, man, good luck, everything to date that's been tried on a large scale seems to have been fucked up good and proper by someone along the way.

I sometimes wonder if trying to micro size governments again into that initial city state model wouldn't be the solution to fixing apathy. If your vote actually mattered, and if you saw immediate results I think the incentive would certainly be higher to care.

Of course, that opens a whole new can of worms (ie: what is the role of a federal government at that point? How can you give cities powers without weakening your defence mechanisms? and so on...) but I think something drastic is neccessary to wake people back up. What we have right now is a critical mass of apathy.

he wont

americas not THAT stupid

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i actually dont think that he will.

im not really sure why, because it could easily go either way. i just think that giving him another year to fuck things up will only hurt his chances by 2004.

personally i was more worried he was gonna continue this Iraq bullshit until the election so he could ride those coattails. but then again maybe i spoke too soon...theres always a country thats in need of a good coup detat somewhere...right?

i do think this next election will show us something tho. because just as many 'Joe Six Packs' exist, and just as easily as people can be brainwashed(convinced) theres always a place for corruption in democracy. maybe we can see how well Bush is tied up! maybe not|

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i think maybe we need to wait to see the other candidates..everyone thought bush sr would get reelected anyways he aint getting my vote..not a good thing happened in his presidency..economic ressesion..lack of jobs..being the most hated country in the world...bullshit war..havent seen anything good out of him.

I voted no for the apparent reasons: failed economic stimulation and bad foreign policy.

Of course things could change drastically over the coming months...

I have a question that I'm sure some of you could answer for me. Let's assume for a moment that the Democrats win the next election, what kind of changes would they bring in?

Slightly off topic. My provincial government here in Alberta has a neat trick to win elections. Last time, they had absolutely no platform and were passing legislation that was being strongly opposed and protested. Instead of trusting the people to choose their leaders, they used a budget surplus to pay out gas rebates to everyone over 16 years of age. Their justification was that since utility prices were so high, they would give us a hand by giving us all $300. Funny how it came just before election time...

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Originally posted by Photo_bot_2k1 he wont americas not THAT stupid

- They made the Republicans gain control power and... give Bush a high rating for his "exellent" job.. mmm .. although, AMEN to your words.

I hope that Bush isn't re-elected, but I'd rather see him in office than Joe Lieberman or Colin Powell.

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 I hope that Bush isn't re-elected, but I'd rather see him in office than Joe Lieberman or Colin Powell.

Well, if you ask me personally, I'd rather have ALF as the president that that traitor Bush. ALF is smarter, more charismatic, and less likely to start World War III. And he doesn't look and sound like the angel of death when speaking.

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Originally posted by cougar23 Well, if you ask me personally, I'd rather have ALF as the president that that traitor Bush. ALF is smarter, more charismatic, and less likely to start World War III. And he doesn't look and sound like the angel of death when speaking.

Who would make a better president: Bush or a box of Tic-Tacs?

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Originally posted by cougar23 Well, if you ask me personally, I'd rather have ALF as the president that that traitor Bush. ALF is smarter, more charismatic, and less likely to start World War III. And he doesn't look and sound like the angel of death when speaking.

But what about the cats??

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 I hope that Bush isn't re-elected, but I'd rather see him in office than Joe Lieberman or Colin Powell.

Colin Powell is not even running for president, sorry but, wat are you on?!?!

Anyways, Richard Gephard is doing it for me at the moment, I don't know.. but by what I seem so far, I would cast my vote on him .