imo its bullshit, i mean the tlegraph, toronto star, SF Chronicle, ABC News, and the BBC all found the document. This is after the CIA went through this building before. Oh well, Bush has always suspected Saddam was behind 9/11, even though the CIA director spoke in front of (Congress?) and British's MI6 have stated that there is no link between al-queda and saddam.

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Originally posted by tranceaholic what a pathetic war..

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Originally posted by Cyrus King I did my graduate thesis on propaganda, and know that i am certainly not a victim of it. Please educate yourself on indoctrination before spewing bullshit assumptions.

no offense to u, put so u think just because u did ur graduate thesis on propaganda that u are a God and everything that u say is right??? thats far from the truth. so that means that everything that u believe is right, and everything that people say that u dont believe in is wrong, just because of ur thesis??? i can do a thesis on a topic to, but that dont mean that u know everything about it. with more knowledge u realize the less u know. so stop spewing ur billshit and saying that ur right all the time

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Plus, that white-out baloney is the funniest shit I've ever heard! What kind fo intelligence agency uses white out to cover up names on top secret documents? If you believe this story, I have a bridge from Los Angeles to Australia to sell you!

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as seen in the above posts...

maybe there's a little of the iraqi information minister, inside all of us?

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Originally posted by sifntj0r as seen in the above posts... maybe there's a little of the iraqi information minister, inside all of us?

As in reporters cooking up a story they know the world press would be gaga over to get their names out and significantly advance their careers? Sure.

Just like the Iraqi Inforamtion minister ignores facts and common sense, so too do the news networks that covered this story. Reporters from a different country somehow stumbling upon top secret Iraqi intelligence papers that are supposed to be guarded by the US military and that the CIA had already been through? That's as preposterous as insisting that the Iraqi regime is still intact!

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i was kind of referring to the poster's in this thread, and not the specific and related news articles :P

i think its plausible that the news agencies did find something legitimate as they say

more plausible then the US military 'planting' evidence

but do i believe it? well, im gonna sit on the fence

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Originally posted by sifntj0r i was kind of referring to the poster's in this thread, and not the specific and related news articles :P i think its plausible that the news agencies did find something legitimate as they say more plausible then the US military 'planting' evidence but do i believe it? well, im gonna sit on the fence

I guess nobody's ever heard of the phrase the enemy of my enemy is my friend. If Al-queda and Saddam Hussein were such mortal enemies how come we never saw an attacks against Iraq? At any rate everybody says the US was going to plant WMD evidence but that hasn't happened, so now people are jumping on the the US is planting Al-Qeada evidence bandwagon. If you say the world renowned Iraqi intelligence service would never be so stupid as to use something like white out, why would you think that the CIA would be so stupid as to fake something as ridiculous as that??? Could it be that the Iraqi intelligence service is in actuallity the 3rd rate intelligence agency that it is?

Nope of course not ... it's far more plausible for that bumbling document to originate from the bumbling CIA

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Originally posted by sifntj0r i was kind of referring to the poster's in this thread, and not the specific and related news articles :P

I know you were... But I tried to turn it around on you.

I guess anything is possible, but the way I see it, the way it was found makes it improbable. I guess we'll see what develops.

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Originally posted by occrider I guess nobody's ever heard of the phrase the enemy of my enemy is my friend. If Al-queda and Saddam Hussein were such mortal enemies how come we never saw an attacks against Iraq? At any rate everybody says the US was going to plant WMD evidence but that hasn't happened, so now people are jumping on the the US is planting Al-Qeada evidence bandwagon. If you say the world renowned Iraqi intelligence service would never be so stupid as to use something like white out, why would you think that the CIA would be so stupid as to fake something as ridiculous as that??? Could it be that the Iraqi intelligence service is in actuallity the 3rd rate intelligence agency that it is? Nope of course not ... it's far more plausible for that bumbling document to originate from the bumbling CIA

Actually, I heavily doubt the CIA would fake something like that. They already combed the building and didn't find anything. If they wanted the evidence so bad, the would have found (or planted) it the first time. I'd actually say the probability of the reporters making it up is higher than someone planting it, but if it was planted, it was probably someone linked to the defense department. After all, the CIA (as well as every other government agency) was at odds with the defense department over this war. If the CIA faked something like that, it would have looked much better, and the Iraqi intelligence wouldn't have used white-out that everyone knows can be scraped away. This was not the CIA, this was an amateur job like some reporters looking for a scoop of some dumb-assed military official.

Besides, why would the CIA embarrass itself by planting evidence that they supposedly missed due to white out? This is too beneficial to the defense department for it to be CIA.

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Originally posted by cougar23 Actually, I heavily doubt the CIA would fake something like that. They already combed the building and didn't find anything. If they wanted the evidence so bad, the would have found (or planted) it the first time. I'd actually say the probability of the reporters making it up is higher than someone planting it, but if it was planted, it was probably someone linked to the defense department. After all, the CIA (as well as every other government agency) was at odds with the defense department over this war. If the CIA faked something like that, it would have looked much better, and the Iraqi intelligence wouldn't have used white-out that everyone knows can be scraped away. This was not the CIA, this was an amateur job like some reporters looking for a scoop of some dumb-assed military official. Besides, why would the CIA embarrass itself by planting evidence that they supposedly missed due to white out? This is too beneficial to the defense department for it to be CIA.

Well then if it was faked by journalists then it should be easily provable to be a fake. I guess we shall find out in due time. At the same time, it's entirely plausible that the CIA hasn't combed every inch of baghdad and there may be documents that haven't been found or missed ... just saying people shouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions.

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is there a difference between a country officially supporting Al-Qaeda and un-officially supporting it? I mean many of their operatives are from countries such as Yemen and Saudi Arabia that appear to be against terrorist actions in the public. I guess the finding of apparent "evidence" just gives the US more of an international justification for fighting the war on those grounds.

imagine if the whole world lived with a "pre-emptive" attitude? We could all go shoot our bosses before they fire us, or punch our neighbours before they spin on our lawns ...

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Originally posted by Vesa As to the document, I'm yet undecided about whether to believe it's authentic. The recent false propaganda makes me rather suspicious (France hiding Baathists, France spying for Iraq, Russia sending anti-tank missiles to Iraq, Russia smuggling Baathists out of Iraq, Russia hiding Saddam). The potential connection between Saddam and Al-Qaida would not be nearly as unbelievable as any of the smear that the Neocons are now spreading against key European countries.

Since when did debka = US spear campaign? At any rate I wouldn't doubt that Russian arms companies (rather than Russian government) including Ukrainian arms companies sold arms to Iraq. How else did Iraq acquire laser-guided kornet anti-tank missiles that were somewhat effective in taking out a few abrams tanks? At any rate the Russians if anyone are prospering from these accusations.

http://www.moscowtimes.ru/stories/2003/04/15/003.html

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