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Originally posted by LiquidX Well, he knew there was going to be an attack, he just didn't care, or was TOO dumm to act accordingly. There's a reason for his administration "hidding" those papers. RIGHT?

Yes but it's probably for a latter reason rather than the former. Believing that it was a massive coverup in an attempt to start a war on the world is conspiracy theorist. Why not release the papers? Because it would likely reveal the inadeqacies and failures of our intelligence agencies to put together the pieces that would reveal how in depth the plan truly was. And the failure for predicting the 9/11 attacks probably lays more on the feet our intelligence agencies rather than the administration. You think the FBI goes to the white house with low level data like "well Mr. President, one of our analysts notes that some middle eastern citizens are taking pilot courses ... " ? Information doesn't get passed to the higher echelon's of the administration unless it's EXTREMELY solid information that has achieved belief by the general concensus among the FBI and CIA.

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im not saying that he hid the papers to start a war...but 9/11 could of just plain been avoided if he wasnt jacking off in his ranch for 3/4's of a year...he just thought it was a rediculous suggestion that these morons could run planes into a building

its the truth man..

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- IN respond to you occrider, the papers also state that high levels of the government knew about this, that's why and where the blame to the administration comes from, and that's why there's also lots of critics and suspicion about why they are hidding it. So yes, it does lay on the intelligence, but it would also lay on the administration, or government, since they had the evidence and the information on their hands.

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Originally posted by trancE tunes im not saying that he hid the papers to start a war...but 9/11 could of just plain been avoided if he wasnt jacking off in his ranch for 3/4's of a year...he just thought it was a rediculous suggestion that these morons could run planes into a building its the truth man..

- Yes, the US government received various information of an attack that Al Quaeda was planning an attack, and that they WERE going to attack, those came from intelligences from Russia and Israel, but, the US gov't ignored those. But, as I go back in time and think about what was Bush's situation on the moment and what was he doing. Well, he had the lowest rating, lots of internatinal and national problems, plus the economic situation, and yes, his vacations on the ranch. Whom by the way, he's the president with most free time in his first term.

hahaha thats why you guys need a voting system like our one in australia
those that couldnt be arsed to vote end up paying the price
if everyone voted, people would be forced to care about who gets voted into office and hicks such as george dubya bush get nowhere

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Originally posted by LiquidX - Yes, the US government received various information of an attack that Al Quaeda was planning an attack, and that they WERE going to attack, those came from intelligences from Russia and Israel, but, the US gov't ignored those. But, as I go back in time and think about what was Bush's situation on the moment and what was he doing. Well, he had the lowest rating, lots of internatinal and national problems, plus the economic situation, and yes, his vacations on the ranch. Whom by the way, he's the president with most free time in his first term.

Yes there were indications of the attack but then again, aren't there always indications of an attack? Think about it ... how many orange and red alerts did we get of "imminent" terrorist attacks when the government started taking every single warning seriously and started alerting the public after 9/11? Except for 1993 every single attack was carried out against our assets abroad such as embassies and the like. I'm sure security over there was beefed up in response to information. However, it's difficult to get the "bigger picture" and piece everything together to predict that an attack of the nature of 9/11 was going to occurr until it was too late. What if Bush had spent multi-millions of dollars to beef up airport security to ward off terrorist hijackings (not knowing their intent was to crash it into a building) before the attacks? He woulda been lambasted and laughed at for wasteful spending.

But I agree ... he should take less vacations

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Originally posted by OLi_A hahaha thats why you guys need a voting system like our one in australia those that couldnt be arsed to vote end up paying the price if everyone voted, people would be forced to care about who gets voted into office and hicks such as george dubya bush get nowhere

It would never work here ... the aclu would throw such a hissy fit at a person's right to NOT vote that it would never fly hehe.

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Originally posted by occrider Yes there were indications of the attack but then again, aren't there always indications of an attack? Think about it ... how many orange and red alerts did we get of "imminent" terrorist attacks when the government started taking every single warning seriously and started alerting the public after 9/11? Except for 1993 every single attack was carried out against our assets abroad such as embassies and the like. I'm sure security over there was beefed up in response to information. However, it's difficult to get the "bigger picture" and piece everything together to predict that an attack of the nature of 9/11 was going to occurr until it was too late. What if Bush had spent multi-millions of dollars to beef up airport security to ward off terrorist hijackings (not knowing their intent was to crash it into a building) before the attacks? He woulda been lambasted and laughed at for wasteful spending. But I agree ... he should take less vacations

I know what you mean.

Hindsight is always 20/20, eh... As much as I dislike Bush, noone else would have stopped those attacks. No one believed it was possible. And, plus, what are you gonna do in a country that hasn't had a major successful terrorist attack on its home soil in years? Shut down transportation because of suspicion? Before these attacks, the government would have required absolute proof before they shut down airlines. How many warnings do you thing we got that didn't come true? If it is a false warning, shutting down commerce would only make the terrorists win.

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Originally posted by occrider Yes there were indications of the attack but then again, aren't there always indications of an attack? Think about it ... how many orange and red alerts did we get of "imminent" terrorist attacks when the government started taking every single warning seriously and started alerting the public after 9/11? Except for 1993 every single attack was carried out against our assets abroad such as embassies and the like. I'm sure security over there was beefed up in response to information. However, it's difficult to get the "bigger picture" and piece everything together to predict that an attack of the nature of 9/11 was going to occurr until it was too late. What if Bush had spent multi-millions of dollars to beef up airport security to ward off terrorist hijackings (not knowing their intent was to crash it into a building) before the attacks? He woulda been lambasted and laughed at for wasteful spending. But I agree ... he should take less vacations

- Well, I do agree with you to an extend, but, we are talking about a group here who allready attemtped to destroy somehow the WTC ( That bomb explosion on the bottom of WTC ) and a group who were targeting and had allready attack various embassy's worldwide. There was even a warning for a certain date, the new milleniums night I think it was, where there was extreme security because Al Quaeda had sent a big threat of an attack to a major city. Remember?!?.. so after all that and the added information and intelligence, something had to be added or implemented on the means of security. Not a homeland security, but something different. There could have been alot done to prevent this. But, those files are sitting maybe right next to Bush, so we can't really see what was really happening or happened, or how much they knew, because, our government does not want to release those files. Ironic.

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Originally posted by occrider Riiiigghhhttt, just like roosevelt knew pearl harbor was going to happen

Sahif: "It was a Jewish conspiracy. All the Jews left the towers before the planes hit...."

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