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Tony Morello
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Registered: Apr 2001
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by raveanddie
hi guys.

THANK YOU ALL FOR REPLYING... i certainly learnt something. looks like i will be off to my cmx ... hehehe ..


most of the time when i bring in tracks, i usually put the incoming mid to 20% ... looks like the reason for my clashings all has to do more with the treble which is at the full ...

guess i will have to learn ....
hence, there are no shortcuts to any place worth going to ...


yup
just keep practicing
try new things, play around
it's really the only way you'll learn


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Old Post May-07-2003 00:16  Canada
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Alccode
teksetter!



Registered: Apr 2002
Location: toronto

Psh.

I use Supah-Maximizing-Ultra-Omega-Mixing-Style!

Defeat all of you mixing style !!! [complete with accent]

KYAAAAAA

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I'm ok now... don't worry.... Haha, but seriously, this thread kinda struck me as funny.. "mixing style" like "fighting style".

"I use the ancient mixing style of BEATMATCH and TRANSITION of the Zen master Koku."

"As for me, my mixing style is a unique family style passed on from father to son for generations, consisting of BEATMATCH and TRANSITION."

"The mixing style that I employ has been faithful to me all my life. I learned it when I was training under a hermit DJ deep in the Himalayas. His secret was BEATMATCH and TRANSITION, which I have utterly mastered to lay waste to my foes."

Ok, just wanted to sound a little sarcastic... When doing tricks during transitions, it's dangerous to label it a "Mixing Style" because all you're doing is just being a little creative during your transition.

Like my "warriors" above, every mixing "style" (heh) is just BEATMATCH and TRANSITION. Doesn't matter if you cut this eq here or that eq there, or switch bass eq's at an instant, or scratch it in, or make your transition last one minute or two minutes, they're all just TRANSITIONS.

("Illusion Mixing"...lmao)

The real deal with DJ'ing is reading the crowd and knowing what to play when, not mixing.

IMHO
here!>

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Jah
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Registered: Nov 2000
Location: Australia, Perth

couldnt agree more :P especially with trance you need to know how to program what where...

quote:
Originally posted by Alccode
The real deal with DJ'ing is reading the crowd and knowing what to play when, not mixing.

IMHO here!>


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Greedy
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Registered: Apr 2002
Location: NoVA/DC

mixing is not always about turning down the bass and cranking up the highs when bringing a tune in. I often find that when you concentrate too much on the eq's, your attention goes away from your beat matching. If you wanna be a good DJ, be able to listen to the track mixing in and concentrate on phrasing. Once you learn this, this could help you recover from unfortunate things like, someone bumping into the tables and missing your cue.


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ScratchMaster
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Registered: Feb 2002
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Gotta agree with Shochwave.
Practice does make you perfect and there are no rules to mixing.
And recording yourself does help.I never recorded anything I played cause I thought my mixing was spot on.But I have done it a few times now & found that you learn a lot by listening to yourself later.....maybe not bout beat matching but bout whether you brought in the next track too fast or whether your EQ's were ok.

Accolade reading the crowd and placing your songs right[flow] are very important but it isn't as important as mixing IMO.
You gotta learn how to beat match flawlessly first and then start thinking bout reading the crowd and thinking bout the flow of your set.
You cant get to a BLACK BELT without learning the moves of a WHITE BELT[hermit DJ from the Himalayas must've told you this ]
Even if your flow is good and you read the crowd like a book;if you cant beat match its no use.

Thanks for the compliment on the nick Raven but it really dosen't have much to do with my mixing skills.I play only on CDs since there isn't a record store in my country and vinyl has'nt caught on as yet - and scratching is a vinyl thing.
I call myself ScratchMaster cause I like to "scratch" my nuts for a bit when I hit the sack at night.

But I do think I'm pretty rocko when it comes to mixing on CD's.The vinyl is picking over here so pretty soon I should move on from Nads To Records.

Nice to hear you have a CMX.It is a fantastic pitch.
Keep practicing.

Still dying to know what Illusion Mixing is.Anyone?????????

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Hootchis
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Registered: Dec 2002
Location: Toronto, ON

I have one last question to add to this thread? I know all you guys talk about where the mid/high/low's should be while mixing in track, but lets say for instance you have the cross fader in the middle and both volume channels at full, with the mid/high/low's at around 80% on both channels (just an example). Even if you have the beats completely matched, sometimes it just doesn't sound right, and if the pitch is just off it's impossible (or at least seems impossible) to tell where you are going wrong. So i guess my question is, does eq's play a huge role in the beatmatching process or is it just my mixing that just isn't up to par yet? I'm relatively new to the game in the overal picture (1.5 months).

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Alccode
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Registered: Apr 2002
Location: toronto

quote:
Originally posted by ScratchMaster
Gotta agree with Shochwave.
Practice does make you perfect and there are no rules to mixing.
And recording yourself does help.I never recorded anything I played cause I thought my mixing was spot on.But I have done it a few times now & found that you learn a lot by listening to yourself later.....maybe not bout beat matching but bout whether you brought in the next track too fast or whether your EQ's were ok.

Accolade reading the crowd and placing your songs right[flow] are very important but it isn't as important as mixing IMO.
You gotta learn how to beat match flawlessly first and then start thinking bout reading the crowd and thinking bout the flow of your set.
You cant get to a BLACK BELT without learning the moves of a WHITE BELT[hermit DJ from the Himalayas must've told you this ]
Even if your flow is good and you read the crowd like a book;if you cant beat match its no use.


Haha! Nice one @ hermit DJ joke!

ScratchMaster and Busy Child, what you're saying is right, but it falls under the category of TRANSITION. When I say "transition" I implicitly mean PROPER transition.

"Proper Transition? Is there any other kind?" (hehe )

And the answer is no.

That means taking into account phrasing, beatmatching, gain levels, the clashing of harmonics, etc.

Of course, that has to be mastered before you can read the crowd and do all that good stuff. But if you can't do the transition, then why are you in front of the crowd in the first place?

[Warning - begin RANT]

It's a natural transition (no pun intended) from beginner to Club DJ, like ScratchMaster said. Thus my little joke on Warrior DJ's was to show the ridiculousness of those DJ's like Ferry Corsten who pull things out of their ass like "Illusion Mixing," which is one of the stupidest things I've heard. What the hell is "Illusion Mixing" anyway? (rhetorical question) People have been mixing for years, and especially with our "house-type 4/4" music, there is not a lot of variety!!! How could he possibly have "invented" a "new" mixing "style"?? Does he mix in "3D" or something?? (Also a ridiculous statement)

At most, he adds in an effect during the transition, or a "wooshing" noise or something lame like that, so you have the "feel" like you're in an "illusion." Of course this is conjecture, but you get my drift.

The point is that whatever Ferry, or anyone else for that matter, does during their mix to spruce it up - first of all, props to them, it's awesome to make a transition unique - whatever they do, in the end, their mix is just a Mix. A Unique Mix, yeah. A Special Mix, sure. But not an "Illusion Mix."

So I'm showing that this fad nowadays (in every aspect of life) to label things with fancy names, which don't mean anything and just serve to make whatever you're labelling look cool and "unique" in a bid to garner more cash or sell your product more - is stupid and useless.

All it does is show that whatever you're trying to sell (in this case your DJ'ing skills), cannot stand on its own merits and thus you felt the need to add in a ridiculously-sounding "cool" name to appeal to the masses.

"Heeeeyyy...! What are you implying? That Ferry sucks?"

Hmm...didn't think of that, but maybe he does, if he feels the need to say "Illusion Mixing."

Again, IMHO.

[end RANT]

P.S. great discussion, I really like this thread!

P.P.S. It is entirely possible that Ferry is totally unaware of the meaning of the "Empty Name" (as in there is nothing behind the name, it's just a stupid label) trend nowadays, and innocently called his whatever-he-does "Illusion Mixing." But now I'm really interested in finding out just what this is, if for no other reason than to laugh.

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Alccode
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Registered: Apr 2002
Location: toronto

quote:
Originally posted by Hootchis
I have one last question to add to this thread? I know all you guys talk about where the mid/high/low's should be while mixing in track, but lets say for instance you have the cross fader in the middle and both volume channels at full, with the mid/high/low's at around 80% on both channels (just an example). Even if you have the beats completely matched, sometimes it just doesn't sound right, and if the pitch is just off it's impossible (or at least seems impossible) to tell where you are going wrong. So i guess my question is, does eq's play a huge role in the beatmatching process or is it just my mixing that just isn't up to par yet? I'm relatively new to the game in the overal picture (1.5 months).


Hehe you answered yourself there, though you might not be aware of it. (i.e., "I know all you guys talk about where the mid/high/low's should be while mixing in track")

The reason it sounds off is either due to "harmonics" - meaning that the notes of the songs do not go well together - or due to the clashing of the low/mid/high ranges (in any combination).

When people here are saying "work the eq" they mean do it in such a way that your incoming track doesn't clash with the playing track. There are many ways to do this, but one is to have all your eq's at 0 (or near) on the incoming, then slowly bring in one range as you close down the appropriate range on the master track. That way you will eventually bring in the whole track and, if you're good, the crowd won't notice until it's totally mixed.

Of course, this takes into account that your beatmatch is perfect etc.

Hope that helps!

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