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Originally posted by LiquidX - Im talking serious here, if BUSH is re-elected..... I will die in by heart attack!!! - I'll also be surprised if Bush supporters will still excuse him on whatever way.. though I heaven't seen some of them lately, what are they thinking and how are they standing?!?! .. I know that they will bring any kind of excuse though.

You've heard my stance . I've always stated that my support for the war was dependant on how the post Iraq situation was handled. With this draft agreement it's starting to turn towards anti-war ... however we shall see how negotiations are carried out and what happens.

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this is a reply to liquidx's post from earlier:

bush wasn't really elected in the first place...............his brother in florida hid some of the vote s that woulda made gore president(i think this is wat happpened but i'm not sure yet)

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Originally posted by fuct4less this is a reply to liquidx's post from earlier: bush wasn't really elected in the first place...............his brother in florida hid some of the vote s that woulda made gore president(i think this is wat happpened but i'm not sure yet)

Tell me about it, leaving in Florida, I know about this, and you don't want to know how bad it feels!

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that must suck to have bush as governor adn bush as ur pres. but at least u don't live in cali where people have the shit taxed out of them cus of the governor's mistakes...

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Originally posted by fuct4less reply to liquidx: that must suck to have bush as governor adn bush as ur pres. but at least u don't live in cali where people have the shit taxed out of them cus of the governor's mistakes...

LoL man, that's also happening in Florida, so that Bush just made this news about rising the Phone Bill.

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Originally posted by LiquidX LoL man, that's also happening in Florida, so that Bush just made this news about rising the Phone Bill.

yea man arent polititians fucked up? im gonna get locked up this summer just
for cutting classes

?? what the heck does that have to do with politicians being fucked up?

and.. are you serious, you are being sent to jail for skipping school?

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I think that this is an instance of fallacious causal reductionism. I do suspect that oil was an issue considered by the Bush administration in determining to attack Iraq, but this is far from sufficient evidence to suggest that it was the primary or determining factor in the decision.

I disagree. In the absence of other factors, such as the missing WMD, and the non existant ties with al-qaeda, i am inclined to believe that oil WAS the primary factor. I am sure that there were other factors as well, but none so important as this.

If not that then what? the liberation of the iraqis? i admit, a noble goal, and i am happy for the iraqi people, they are probably much better off (those that are not dead from the bombings that is).

But, if the US is to start freeing people from tyrants:

A) there are better places to start than iraq.
B) there are better ways to go about it than cluster bombs.

I think this laudable goal was only a coverup for an oil grab.

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Originally posted by JohnSmith If not that then what? the liberation of the iraqis? i admit, a noble goal, and i am happy for the iraqi people, they are probably much better off (those that are not dead from the bombings that is).

How about the removal of an anti-American regime in the Middle East? Bush, Cheney, and Wolfowitz have had their eye on Iraq for quite some time. Not for the oil, but to affect regime change.

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Originally posted by JohnSmith this is the most outrageous thing of all! attack a defensless nation, and then insist that THEY pay for reparations?

AHEM!

well, remember in the early 90's...IRAQ (the world's largest free standing ground army at the time) invaded KUWAIT? what happened there? IMO there's a difference between defenseless and lack of cohesion amongst leadership and military rank and file. IRAQ was not defenseless, their soldiers chose not to fight! who's fault is that?

LASTLY, how can you justify what saddam has done? he stole millions if not close to billions of food for oil $$$ and funneled it into marble inladen and gold faceted fixtures in how many presidential palaces?

STOP BLAMING, 'THE US'...because majority of americans never supported this war...perhaps you can start blaming baathists or perhaps saddam himself?

you know what i really hate! y do we have to start posting these damned I HATE AMERICAN posts...god damn, if they didn't intervene in a WWII (using for case and point..they didn't win the war alone...they just help push ) the pacific rim would be occupied by the empire of japan and europe by nazi germany (im sorry if you are german or japanese and find offense to this, i am not attacking you at all). if america didn't supply logistics support for england in WWII they would have ran out of spare parts!

STOP JUMPING ON THE I HATE AMERICA BANDWAGON...they have done more good than harm and IMO they have helped us out alot more than any of use realize.

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