see it's clueless

just like our prime minister looking into the 2B fuckup of the arts fund...

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Before answering, Tenet turned to very quickly consult with aides sitting behind him. "I think the declassified answer, is yes, they can do that," Tenet said. Defense Intelligence Agency Director Vice Adm. Lowell Jacoby, also testifying at the hearing, said outside the hearing room that the North Korean missile has not yet been flight tested, according to The Associated Press. Moments earlier Tenet said it was likely that North Korea had been able to produce as many as two plutonium-based nuclear weapons. The estimate is not new -- it was laid out in an unclassified CIA document in December 2001-- but Tenet is the most senior U.S. official to say so publicly. The 2001 report said North Korea's Taepo Dong 2 missile may be capable of hitting the West Coast of the United States, as well Alaska and Hawaii.

Yes, thank you for pointing out this article. It is indeed old news. My point was that nothing has been PROVEN if you read the article. "The unclassified answer is, yes they can do that", then mentions that nothing has been flight tested. I'm not looking for a SHUT DOWN as you call it, merely pointing out that nothing is definite. North Koreans typically are a lot of bark with little bite. We should definitely be concerned, but I don't think we should just assume that they have the ability to lauch just because they have the ingredients, but haven't put them into recipe form. I'm just saying not to work yourself up into a panic over this. Yet.

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Originally posted by Shakka Yes, thank you for pointing out this article. It is indeed old news. My point was that nothing has been PROVEN if you read the article. "The unclassified answer is, yes they can do that", then mentions that nothing has been flight tested. I'm not looking for a SHUT DOWN as you call it, merely pointing out that nothing is definite. North Koreans typically are a lot of bark with little bite. We should definitely be concerned, but I don't think we should just assume that they have the ability to lauch just because they have the ingredients, but haven't put them into recipe form. I'm just saying not to work yourself up into a panic over this. Yet.

I didn't call it a shut-down, so watch yourself.
If you look at the language of Tenet's relpy, he only mentions the unclassified answer. You think he's actually going to admit to the American people and the world that the North Koreans REALLY have the capability of launching an ICBM from some silo in Pyongyang and hitting the wet coast? OF COURSE NOT.
Get back to me when you smarten up.

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First of all, I'm the one who said SHUT DOWN

Second, North Korea is not going to bluff about their weapons. The economic situation in that country is complete disaster. They need assistance, so they're gonna use the weapons as a threat so that we must help them.

^^true that, altho I'm not to sure about the amount of aid (if any?) we are giving them.

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Honestly, I don't think we're giving any, since they are in the "Axis of Evil" Bush is always blabbering about.

Exactly, they've been trying to threaten us with their weapons if we don't offer them aid. And while they certainly aren't bluffing that they have their own arsenal of weapons, they have historically been known to talk a big game and not follow through. Notice how quickly they shut up and agreed to move to negotiations soon after we handily left a large crater in the middle east? All of that "overkill" in Iraq was, in part, done to put a big show on for N. Korea. Notice that the only weapons they've "test fired" so far have only been little short range dookie tosses into the Sea of Japan.

Kim Jong Il is a crazy sonnofabitch who likes to beat his chest and make Napoleonic threats. He's crazier than Hussein, but Hussein was, in part, unfinished business, but was also more of an immediate threat as he was aiding terrorists and was known to have secret weapons programs

The administration has known N. Korea to be a problem. Bush originally named them in his Axis of Evil speech. Right now they're at the bargaining table phase, but it's not going too well. Hopefully diplomacy will be more successful with the Korea case. Just because we attacked Iraq doesn't necessarily mean the only possibly outcome for Korea also be attack.

Knowing Bush, I think he wouldn't mind having a war with North Korea. BEFORE YOU FLAME ME...I'm not saying that's all he wants, I'm saying that I doubt he'd really mind if we ended up having one.

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Originally posted by Shakka Hopefully diplomacy will be more successful with the Korea case.

What do you mean hopefully? Bush took diplomacy with Iraq and shoved it up his fuckin ass. Our country is in $7 trillion dollars of debt, and wars just add to it. Why couldn't Bush figure out a diplomatic way to get Saddam out of power? How come North Korea can be done diplomatically but Iraq couldn't?

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Originally posted by Galapidate What do you mean hopefully? Bush took diplomacy with Iraq and shoved it up his fuckin ass. Our country is in $7 trillion dollars of debt, and wars just add to it. Why couldn't Bush figure out a diplomatic way to get Saddam out of power? How come North Korea can be done diplomatically but Iraq couldn't?

Well let's face it, ************ of anything else, there was no diplomatic way to get Saddam out of power, and there probably is no diplomatic way to remove Kim Il Jong from power for that matter. It's like Castro ... we've been trying diplomatically and non-diplomatically for the past couple of decades and no dice.

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Yeah, but we tried to kill Castro and failed very terribly at it.

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Originally posted by occrider Well let's face it, ************ of anything else, there was no diplomatic way to get Saddam out of power, and there probably is no diplomatic way to remove Kim Il Jong from power for that matter. It's like Castro ... we've been trying diplomatically and non-diplomatically for the past couple of decades and no dice.

Well, first of all, meaning, Bush shouldn't have bother with Saddam in the FIRST PLACE!.. that's the only solution so now there's this mistake, or NOT mistake but mess that every american has to deal with.
And I thought that the US and North Korea were getting into some diplomatic talk, or did North Korea just blew it?!?!.. and about Fidel Castro.. we been doing the embargo on them for years/decades, and look.. no result. All the embargo is doing is heaving the the people suffer from it, although I know that Castro will take lots lots of money, but the people will be better, and maybe let Castro live his ideology on his country.. who knows, anyways, that guy is crayz and will die soon, his brother will take over, and that guy is twice as bad as Castro.

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